Goodbye to Texas (A&M) University: A Study in Dishonesty, Hypocrisy, and Insanity
by NormanUnderwood on Oct 17, 2011 3:45 PM CDT
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"An Aggie does not lie, cheat or steal, or tolerate those who do."
This is the Texas A&M University Honor Code. According to the University’s compliance office, "The Aggie Code of Honor affirms values that apply to students, faculty and staff alike. This simple statement exemplifies two of our core values—excellence and integrity—and underscores our commitment to ethical conduct and compliance with laws and official policies. These core values forge a strong base to embrace our other core values of leadership, loyalty, respect and selfless service."
Unless, of course, you’re talking about how they deal with other Universities that they were supposed to be partners with.
When Texas A&M signed on to the Big 12 following the near conference blow-up in 2010, they made an explicit promise that they were committed to the Big 12 Conference, and the fellow member schools. Yet, at that very same moment, they were engaged in talks with Southeastern Conference officials about trying to leave the Big 12 for that same league.
Webster’s Dictionary defines "lie" as "1) to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive; 2) to create a false or misleading impression". This is exactly what Texas A&M University did when they signed on the Big 12’s dotted line, knowing full well that the University of Texas was going to get its own television network. They told the Big 12 they were committed while they were talking with SEC officials about trying to get out of the league.
Clearly, the University doesn’t think too highly of their Honor Code.
Now that A&M is on their way out the door, I just wanted to take one last one shot. I went to College Station once, and really enjoyed myself. The Aggie fans I met that day were nice people and fun to be around.
But God damn it, do I hate A&M today.
Texas A&M has been, without a doubt in my mind, the most deplorable actor in all of this Big 12 realignment saga. Say what you will about the University of Texas (and there isn’t any doubt that they are as arrogant and selfish as they come, and hold a large percentage of the blame for Big 12 instability), but they are still here. They have made concessions to make the Big 12 stronger, and they have actually engaged the rest of their conference mates to find a solution that works for all of us.
A&M on the other hand has done just the opposite. For years they voted against equal revenue sharing in the Big 12 alongside Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Texas. They have been just as ruthless in holding the rest of the league down as evil Texas. When Texas approached them about starting a network together, they bailed on the idea. When the Longhorn Network was announced, rather than approach the rest of the Big 12 about starting a network that excluded Texas, they continued down their path of self-destruction with the SEC.
A&M sits back and tells people how Texas has all the power and doesn’t behave like a conference partner. This just falls on to deaf ears. If A&M had voted for equal revenue sharing Texas wouldn’t have to power they have today. A&M has also not behaved like a conference partner at any point. They have become fully consumed by their hatred of Texas, and have gone to a path of cutting off their nose to spite their face. A&M never reached out to their fellow Big 12 schools to strengthen the league. It was very much the opposite. By pursuing and landing in the SEC, Texas A&M has single-handedly threatened to destroy the athletic departments of schools like Baylor, K-State, Iowa State, Kansas, and Texas Tech. While it is likely that most of these schools will continue to remain in an auto-qualifying league, A&M’s selfishness and stupidity has put all of that into continued jeopardy, and for what gain? 
A&M will tell you this is about "doing what’s best for Texas A&M" and that this move is designed to give them a stable home. Way to piss on our legs and tell us it’s raining, assholes. The numbers are out there: Texas A&M will make a negligible financial gain in the SEC in terms of TV revenues. With Texas A&M, the Big 12 had a shot at a massive TV contract (and will likely still receive one). In the SEC A&M will also have a much more difficult time fielding a competitive squad. Right now they compete with Texas and Oklahoma for Texas recruits. Now they run the risk of opening those recruits to other perennial powers such as Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, and whatever flavor of the year exists (see: Mississippi State). Some people think that being the Texas school in the SEC will give A&M a recruiting advantage. This of course relies on the false premise that an 18 year old high school kid has the same kind of boner for the SEC that the national media. Do they really think that a recruiting pitch of "Hey, come to A&M! Win 6 games a year! Listen to our fans chant ‘SEC! SEC! SEC!’" is going to be more effective than "Hey, come to Austin or Norman. Play for National Championships."? No way in hell.
As far as stability goes, that’s another ridiculous argument out of A&M. No matter what, a school the size of A&M, in a state the size of Texas, with a fan base that puts 70,000+ into their football stadium is ALWAYS going to have a home in the highest level of college football. Not to mention, A&M’s bailing for the SEC was a major source of the Big 12’s current instability. Oklahoma's flirtation with the Pac 12 was a direct result of that. They clearly weren’t concerned about the LHN, as they wanted Texas to come with them. In an even more ridiculous turn of events, A&M’s leaders have attacked Baylor for breaking an agreement not to sue A&M for breaking their Big 12 contract. Hello? McFly? You are mad at Baylor for reserving their right to sue you after you breached a contract with them? Jesus fucking Christ. It’s the absolute definition of hypocrisy.
So what is this all about? This is about a deep seeded hatred for the University of Texas. A hatred that has driven to nearly destroy the conference. A hatred that has driven them to nearly destroy the very universities they pledged to stand along side as a conference partner in June 2010. A hatred that has driven them abandon their Honor Code. One only need look as far as their fight song, the Aggie War Hymn, to see how deep this obsession runs:
Good bye to texas university
So long to the orange and the white
Good luck to dear old Texas Aggies
They are the boys who show the real old fight
'the eyes of Texas are upon you'
That is the song they sing so well
Sounds Like Hell
So good bye to texas university
We're gonna beat you all to Chigaroogarem
Chigaroogarem
Rough, Tough, Real stuff, Texas A&M
As stupid as this sounds when they’re playing every other school on their schedule, it’s going to be even dumber (what the hell does "chigaroogarem" mean?) when they never play Texas again.
Are these people insane? The answer, Virginia, is "yes". At the end of the day, none of this should surprise anyone. Texas A&M is a place where wildly misplaced priorities have informed many of their decisions. For example, the University did not integrate racially until it was forced to by Congress in 1964. It did not integrate on a gender basis until 1965. Their Corps of Cadets, a semi-ROTC group that acts like their an actual service academy, was known to participate in the tradition of "Redpots". The night before an Aggie football game, the Corps would burn a large bonfire. Often, a Mason jar full of Corps member’s semen, i.e., a "redpot", was placed on to the bonfire. Only COC members and women who had slept with them were allowed within a certain radius of the burning jar. Any woman who tried to stand inside the circle was violently shoved to the ground. I, for one, am glad that Iowa State University will no longer be associated with a place that so willingly goes against their stated values, and whose unstated values are so far out of whack with what we value here.
So, A&M, have fun in the SECSECSEC. Take comfort in knowing that even when your Fightin’ Texas Aggies are getting their brains stomped in by LSU that you can do that stupid ass chant. You are hypocritical, dishonest, and demented. You value giving Texas the middle finger more than you value success on the field, or being a good conference partner. We’re going to be fine, even though you tried to kill us.
Dear Aggie,
Go fuck yourself. Into a giant Mason jar.
Love,
The Big 12
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Have you warn you guys
y’all are quickly becoming my favorite Big 12 blog. I wish I could quit you!
Love,
Evil Texas Fan
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
Awwww. Somebody got his wittle feewings hurt. BWAHAHAHAHA!! WOOOOOHOOOOOHOOOOOHOOOO!
You and everybody else in the sucka$$ BigWhatever can’t stand it that the lowly Aggies have moved on to the greenest pastures in college football. Say what you will about 6 wins a year, we’ll see. Even if it’s true, that’s more wins that ISU averages any given year. And we’ll see how genuine and caring the whorns are in a few years when they feel like their ready to blow up the conference. They tried it in 2010 but our ‘selfish’ talks with the SEC prevented that since they couldn’t deliver on their arrogant promise to deliver us as part of the deal. They’ll do it again. We know it and that’s why we went ahead and secured a spot at the big boy table. Suckers!!
BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
Ha
Sounds like you have had to pound a mason jar redpot one too many times
by Hobbes881 on Oct 17, 2011 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I was going to say something sarcastic and true
but you beat me to it. good job.
You don't get it.
The point of the post was to point out the hypocrisy of what Aggies fancy themselves to be and how they actually acted here.
Aggy never gets it. Don't try to explain, you'll end up frustrated.
We're going to play like we're in a bad mood.
REALLY????
Greenest pastures? The BIG 12 has the least amount of teams and the most undefeated teams, and A & M has created alot of instability. A & M academic prestige goes down aligning with the SEC.Good Luck getting railroaded.
Norman Underwood
Underwood is just a fancy name for chode.
And Gig'Em is a fancy way of saying....
I stick my thumb in my ass.
/Maroon is the color of asphyxiated skin from a tight bumhole.
by idaho_techsan on Oct 19, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
A&M SUCKS
Dude, A&M is hilarious. SEC is a joke conference. It should be renamed the Football Factory conference with piss more academics and shady ass head coaches. Maybe a little long but fuck it. The Longhorns have been pile driving the Aggies for to long.
A&M all time record vs the SEC: 58-79-6 HAHAHAHA! A&M record against Texas: 37-75-5 HAHAHAHAHAHA! A&M thinks its soo good when they basically are Baylor but Gay not Baptist.
by SeanS7921 on Oct 17, 2011 5:29 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Scoreboard, bitch.
You’re right though. SEC academics suck compared to the ACC or Big 10. However, the SEC does have better academics than the Big 12.
However, the SEC does have better academics
Ahem…
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
If you watch "The Lord of the Rings" backwards it's about this little dude that finds a really cool ring in a volcano and spends the rest of the three movies walking home.
Top-to-bottom he's probably right..
Just not at the top..
Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.
by pleaseplaykindle on Oct 17, 2011 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Beergut sighting in three... two..
Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.
by pleaseplaykindle on Oct 17, 2011 5:37 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
BTW evil Texas fan here,
fantastic post.
Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.
by pleaseplaykindle on Oct 17, 2011 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Prophetic
Actually, I guess it isn’t, since Beergut is as predictable as he is crazy.
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 18, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Best. Post. Ever.
I thought we in Texas were the only ones who “get” the crazy aggy’s. Beautifully done, and spot on.
We're going to play like we're in a bad mood.
couldn't agree more.
nice to see someone else looking through the smokescreen the aggies have thrown out there.
Who are you?!
I'm Kick Ass!
by TexasGarcia37 on Oct 17, 2011 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Ignoring your butthurt rantings about realignment
The section on the Corps and who and what redpots are is completely inaccurate. It is one thing to go off on a rant b/c you’re mad ISU was facing SunBeast membership at one time, it is another to completely make things up b/c you simply don’t know any better.
Redpots are student leaders at Bonfire, they are junior and senior students, not a physical bowl or jar. We have one Bonfire annually preceding the texas game, not one before every game. No idea where you get the crap about women being assaulted if they come near Bonfire; I am surprised you weren’t able to work references in to us beating old women, too.
I’m not going to waste my time arguing about realignment, b/c you have made it patently clear the truth means very little to you. Have fun believing your fiction, and revelling in the basement of the Big 12.
by Beergut on Oct 17, 2011 6:08 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Banned anyone for poking fun at you on that little blog of yours lately?
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
That would require
‘anyone’ to first visit his little blog…
'Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.' --Jim Halpert
Ignoring your butthurt rantings about realignment
The section on the Corps and who and what redpots are is completely inaccurate. It is one thing to go off on a rant b/c you’re mad ISU was facing SunBeast membership at one time, it is another to completely make things up b/c you simply don’t know any better.
Redpots are student leaders at Bonfire, they are junior and senior students, not a physical bowl or jar. We have one Bonfire annually preceding the texas game, not one before every game. No idea where you get the crap about women being assaulted if they come near Bonfire; I am surprised you weren’t able to work references in to us beating old women, too.
I’m not going to waste my time arguing about realignment, b/c you have made it patently clear the truth means very little to you. Have fun believing your fiction, and revelling in the basement of the Big 12.
by Beergut on Oct 17, 2011 6:08 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
so no answers to the charges of lying and being a poor conference partner
but that redpots throw in paragraph is treasonous lies. So funny. The next time you actually answer for the aggies poor behavior during realignment will be the first.
Who are you?!
I'm Kick Ass!
by TexasGarcia37 on Oct 17, 2011 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Honestly, why should I even waste my time?
I’m not going to change Underwood’s mind. If he’ll believe the idiocy he wrote about that Corps and the redpots, I’m fine with letting him go off and be ignorant.
texas fans are getting a hard-on and running over here to reply b/c they’re happy to see someone else get the blame in realignment besides texas.
He gave Texas their share.
He just believes (as I and many others do) that the Tamu has been a worse actor. And it’s cute how you don’t capitalize “Texas.” I’m sure that hurts the feelings of every Longhorn fan who reads your nonsense.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
by K.S.B. on Oct 18, 2011 2:33 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
sadbevo.gif
Bobby Hill: What's a meat examination team?
Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
Because you have nothing better to do with your time.
I mean, talking to yourself in open game threads? Really?
You’re a representative of a despicable and corrupt institution. Be a man and own it. Quit trying to blame everyone else.
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Yeah. I post on the gamethreads
It helps me to go back later and see what I was thinking at that point in the game.
As for being Despicable Me, I’ve always wanted to be able to dance like Gru
by Beergut on Oct 18, 2011 5:15 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Aggies...have yet to master the reply button.
Did you feel your rant needed to be posted twice?
SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.
by dimecoverage on Oct 17, 2011 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok, since you have inside info, please confirm
Why are the group refered to as the Redpots, called Redpots? Do you know?
It's for a really radical reason
The hard hats they wear at Bonfire, called pots, are red, to designate their position in the leadership hierarchy. Radical reason to call them redpots, isn’t it?
by Beergut on Oct 18, 2011 5:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Is it like DEVO with the flower pots on their heads?
/when a problem comes along, you can whip it
Unicorns, and iPhones.
and participation ribbons for kU football
by Spider_Monkey on Oct 18, 2011 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Please
Under no circumstances is comparing DEVO to Texas A&M acceptable. None.
DEVO were funny, often witty and/or insightful, innovative and had a well developed sense of satire. Aggies apparently have a ‘leadership hierarchy’ for a motherfucking cookout. Or, in the very least, they use the term ‘leadership hierarchy’ without irony.
yeah but, these are the only two groups I can name who wore pots on their heads...
unless there was like a muppet, sesame street or fraggle rock character I’m forgetting.
Unicorns, and iPhones.
and participation ribbons for kU football
by Spider_Monkey on Oct 18, 2011 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Butthurt in the Corn Belt
Underwood’s pathetic school is just another parasite that divides the pie further without contributing anything. Kick and scream like a petulant child—right into a non-AQ conference where you belong. You guys might get a couple more wins a year there.
Most schools in BCS leagues
Are “parasites” in terms of what they bring in terms of TV sets and revenue. Every conference has a few money makers and a bunch of coat tail riders. If you kicked the coat tail riders to the curb, you would have about 1 BCS league.
"We're getting drunk today, Rand. Quart of rye each."
by NormanUnderwood on Oct 17, 2011 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
IT'S A TRAP!
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 18, 2011 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm pissed a stupid troll took such an amazing name
Cowboys Ride For Free, the best Oklahoma State blog on the net (and also the drunkest)
by AUKingOState on Oct 18, 2011 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Wait
ISU fans are the ones acting butthurt? I thought being butthurt relied on doing something really fucking moronic to save face because you hate Texas that much, even though every vote your school has had in regards to complaints about the Big 12 was AGAINST THE SAME FUCKING THINGS YOU’RE BITCHING ABOUT NOT HAVING RIGHT NOW. I must have missed the memo that it changed to just bitching because you hate Texas and can’t stand being below them.
by cyclone62 on Oct 17, 2011 6:21 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
(Exhale)
I’m already regretting posting this. I really don’t care what you think, I’ve never been to this site, nor will I likely ever return. I understand that sports blogs have given birth to these types of posts and they are a satirical, humorous way to look at things and usually quite funny.
However,
I am an A&M Former Student, and while I didn’t bother to read the whole thing (refer to my first paragraph) I feel as though I have to respond. I have never ever heard that “mason jar” story or any similar idea. As Beergut mentioned, the facts are blatantly, blatantly wrong and it’s an insult to the writer more so than Aggies.
I’d invite you to read a post I did recently on Bonfire and while the main part of that post does not pertain to this situation (it’s about respecting those who lost their lives in 98), there is an excellent video from the History channel filled with FACTS about Bonfire and even includes interviews with old Redpots who are now military leaders and call Bonfire “the best leadership training tool I’ve ever been a part of.”
Again, I really don’t mean to troll or get in the way of your fun, I just have to give the other opinion. All the best in the Big 12, we’re really going to miss coming to play you guys in Iowa (Ok, you know I had to throw in at least one slight!)
http://www.iamthe12thman.com/2011/10/5/2472217/just-let-me-rant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KLKAH8Ghgg
A&M fans are the only people on the planet
who don’t believe the jizz jar stories. I suppose Texas Monthly is just full of it, right?
http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2362465#post2362465
"We're getting drunk today, Rand. Quart of rye each."
by NormanUnderwood on Oct 17, 2011 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I just don't see
how I could have attended the University for four years, volunteered on the project in question, and never heard anything like that. I’m not saying it’s not true I guess, college kids do a lot of stupid things, but that it’s a rumor by all accounts, and is certainly unrelated to the current and recent state of Bonfire. The stories source is, “By one account” so… I guess one person can make up something or perhaps even did it, then tell someone who writes it in a research journal, and it becomes fact? Versus thousands and thousands of other people who are legitimately involved say it’s not true?
Oh and women do participate in Bonfire, because that is obviously the other part of the story, that all Aggie men are chauvinistic and push women aside.
The link you provided, although I have assumed it was true, is not actually proof that Texas Monthly said that BTW. But neither of us really care that much to find the actual publication! :) So to map out your story:
A fan on an Iowa St. forum said that → Texas monthly ran an article which said that →based on the authors research → one person told him this story.
It must be true!!
I heard a rendition of the same story from several friends who are A&M grads. And they told me about this long before the Tx Monthly story came out.
The Greek system also has some stupid rituals that are only shared with a “chosen” few, depending your status in the organization. As an officer of my sorority, I was privy to things that general members never knew about.
SEC- Southern Evangelical Cheaters. Since Jesus didn't specifically mention cheating in football in the New Testament, they are good to go.
by dimecoverage on Oct 17, 2011 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions
thought you were down for some ejactulation puns,
but I guess I was nuts.
just because I rock, doesn't mean I'm made of stone.
For What It's Worth
Here’s the article: http://www.texasmonthly.com/preview/2009-11-01/feature
But SBN doesn’t pay us enough to buy a subscription.
Yep, you're an Aggie.
“I just don’t see how I could have attended the University for four years, volunteered on the project in question, and never heard anything like that.”
BECAUSE YOU’RE JUST THAT IMPORTANT! If nobody talked to YOU about it, clearly it doesn’t happen!
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by jonfmorse on Oct 18, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
ok pretend you're in my shoes
You volunteer with an organization that is specific and open with its traditions and beginnings. All of the weird terminology and lingo has a specific story of how it got its name. Everyone you talk to regardless of age or affiliation confirms these traditions and nothing contradictory is ever said.
Then one day somebody who has little to no education in the organization that you volunteered in presents you with a story/tradition that you have never heard about that organization. You ask for his source and he says, "It was published in a magazine with the source described as “By one account”. You think back to your years volunteering and everyone you have talked to and don’t remember ever hearing it. You conclude that your vast experience is logically correct versus one persons account. You respond, “It can’t be a tradition, because I would have heard something about it in my years of volunteering.” But the person just says:
“Well, if nobody talked to you about it, clearly it didn’t happen!!”
How would you respond?
Were you a Redpot?
Because if said organization had an upper echelon where it’s already been admitted “secret” traditions exist, my response would be, “Well, I guess they’re really good at keeping their secrets.”
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No I wasn't a redpot
But they became my friends. Redpots are the leaders, and there are other leaders and groups below them. They aren’t dictators that sit in a back room and yell out commands. You obviously don’t know enough about A&M to know that we’re pretty damn open about our traditions. The culture of A&M is a unified culture and everyone knows the good and the bad stuff that used to on at the school. If there was a tradition or story about something, everyone would know it and make jokes about it. But no one has heard of this.
If a large segment of opposing fans has heard of it...
how can no one at aTm have ever heard even a rumor of it. The only way that is possible is if you chose to ignore anything negative that is said about your university.
No aTm fan has answered yet if there are minorities in the ‘corps’ of if they are all just a bunch of elitist whit douches with crew cuts.
It seriuosly makes me sick that aTm had to be forced to integrate by congress.
How do you feel about that great aTm history?
Um
Yes there are “minorities” in the corps…
Choosing to ignore anything negative that is said about your university is different than saying a rumor isn’t true.
“If a large segment of opposing fans has heard of it…
how can no one at aTm have ever heard even a rumor of it”
bingo….BECAUSE IT’S NOT FREAKING TRUE! Seriously…just listen to yourself. What’s more likely, that it’s not true….or that it is true but I and thousands of others are lying to everyone they know to preserve a stupid grotesque tradition that if was true, likely died decades ago….?
I know plenty about A&M, but that's neither here nor there.
In any fraternal heirarchical society, there are secrets. Secrets which get kept. You remember when the first President Bush’s membership in Skull and Bones was a topic, and stuff suddenly started leaking that had been kept secret for decades? You remember how Scientology all of a sudden had to start trying to sue people because their wacky secrets were finally exposed?
Your entire argument is that you think that unless someone told YOU about it, it didn’t happen, because golly gee gosh they’re my friends! And they couldn’t have secret traditions without everyone knowing about the— HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGG
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wow
The media is always right, you don’t seriously believeTexas Monthly prints the truth when it comes to Texas A&M. A&M stands for everything Texas Monthly hates. It’s a liberal rag that loves to print anything negative about the Aggies it can.
I mean like, seriously?
Texas Monthly is a liberal rag?
I would advise you to stay off the internet. It’s a scary place.
Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.
by pleaseplaykindle on Oct 17, 2011 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions
BOLMC?
They really channel Marx and company with their articles on Friday Night Lights and barbecue.
by thewacokid on Oct 17, 2011 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The redpot traditions exemplify RA culture. One is that no woman may set foot in a certain area of the stack site unless she has slept with a redpot; an Aggie who described herself as weighing 95 pounds wrote a letter to the student newspaper two years ago protesting that a redpot had shoved her when she breached the boundary to avoid a mud puddle. A wide-ranging witness statement given by a female member of the corps told how each group of redpots fills a jar with ejaculate and sets it atop the stack to burn.
by CyssorMeTimbers on Oct 17, 2011 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions
WTF is RA culture?
I built three Bonfires, so I’m fairly certain I know exactly the area of Stack site they are referring to in the article. It wasn’t closed to just women (whether they were sleeping with redpots or not), it was closed to anyone who wasn’t a redpot. You had to get permission from a redpot to go into that area (we’re talking a 100 yard perimeter, if that, surrounding a shed), so other pots (student leaders at Bonfire) and co-chairs (female pots) were allowed in there.
A female Aggie was shoved by a male Aggie!?!? Alert the presses, news!!!! One instance means it is a rule, and happens all the time? There was a male-centric culture to Bonfire, but it wasn’t chauvinistic to the point of disrespecting women. There were enough rivalries between dorms, Southside of campus vs. Northside of campus, and non-regs versus CTs that disrespecting a female like that would have been all the excuse an upperclassman would need to send some freshmen after the offender.
Ignoring the completely questionable veracity of a “wide-ranging witness statement” in a magazine, I will say I find the statement of any female CT about Bonfire questionable. The actual number of Corps members working on Bonfire was incredibly small, so small that I can tell you the total number of female CTs I saw out there was literally less than ten. This sounds more like a “can you believe this?” rumor that someone wrote down and took to be truth.
You must not be a very good Aggie,
since you apparently don’t know very much about your traditions.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Not helping
If the point you were hoping to make was that misinformation is responsible for making this ritual appear odd to the outside world, well, you failed.
The dystopian Archie comic you sketch out here makes the crew-cutted ‘Folsom Street Fair, College Station’ bit about semen-filled mason jars seem almost quaint.
by gs3m on Oct 18, 2011 6:35 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think I agree with you, but let me google "dystopian"
just because I rock, doesn't mean I'm made of stone.
The point I was making is I believe the whole mason jar story is bullshit
by Beergut on Oct 18, 2011 10:47 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
So, you're calling bullshit on your fellow aggies that told that story to TM?
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Maybe so, but...
It seems you don’t view the mason jar story as decidedly less ‘creepy’ than what you’ve described above. That alarms me.
Don't you think any college students at any university would find that sickening?
Why, then, would you actually believe any college student would actually do that? Do you know a lot of students at ISU who like to collect their semen in jars? Why would you blindly believe there are people at A&M who do that?
Maybe I’m giving you people too much credit for thinking logically.
by Beergut on Oct 18, 2011 5:22 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I dunno
Have you ever heard of some of the things frat guys make pledges do? The ‘corps’ sounds a bit like a big frat to me.
Question, are there any african american or minority members of the ‘corps’? All I ever see are shots of white guys with crew cuts.
The Corps IS a big frat.
And military officers from either standard ROTC outfits or from the service academies can’t stand them.
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It's tought to do research...
when it’s all one big secret.
I asked the simple question if there were any minorities in the ‘corps’ and no aggies have responded. Why is that a stupid question?
simple answer
yes. it’s called common sense. just because the cameras show like 1% of the corp doesn’t mean there aren’t minorities. come to campus, take a tour and quit assuming things. how is it all a big secret? are there traditions, yes. but come on, quit making it seem like there’s something to hide. there isn’t.
Put it this way....
A bunch of young, fresh-faced boys with crew-cuts ejaculating into a communal mason jar sounds like college experimentation with homoerotic undertones compared to the Sondheim-flying-over-Broadway-on-a-Pink-Triangle-Magic-Carpet LSD trip that is your tale of Northside vs. Southside vs non-Regs vs Jets vs CTs vs Sharks vs. Pol Pot ordering underclassmen to give wedgies to defend the honor of young lasses who stepped inside the protected perimeter of a shed.
I don’t expect you to understand, but I don’t necessarily believe the mason jar story, at least I don’t believe it is a widespread practice. That said, it is certainly no more preposterous than the insanity you’ve described.
Given some of the pictures and video I've seen from the Corps...
…no, I wouldn’t particularly be surprised that they would not find such a thing sickening.
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by TB on Oct 18, 2011 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions
What happens at the Dixie Chicken stays at the Dixie Chicken...eh?
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by Catbacker98 on Oct 18, 2011 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure if you bottled the fumes
from the Chicken’s bathroom, you could engage in biological warfare.
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by NormanUnderwood on Oct 19, 2011 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Your response makes you and your school look even worse.
Since you don’t seem to know very much about what is and what isn’t disrespectful on your own blog, forgive me if I don’t take on faith your account that the culture was male but not chauvinistic, especially not after you admit that you believe shoving women to be not a big deal.
And I love that I’m supposed to question the veracity of a printed publication by an author who actually uses his name, yet your blog post under the pen name “Beergut” has some sort of peer-reviewed archival authority attached to it. Dumbass.
Finally, that you need a 100 yard perimeter established around what you yourself admit is a “shed” says all you ever need to know about A&M.
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by pleaseplaykindle on Oct 18, 2011 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
A woman does not equal women
Frankly, I don’t give a damn what you believe or don’t believe. You have a vested interest in believing the worse about A&M, so you’re going to be inclined to believe anything that portrays A&M in a bad light.
One account about one person acting like a jackass isn’t enough to paint a whole group of people with a broad brush. That would be like me saying it is a tradition for texas football players to get drunk, drives their cars into apartment buildings, and then leave the scene of the accident with no repercussions whatsoever. It happened once, so they all do it!!!!!
by Beergut on Oct 18, 2011 10:52 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Lets try that again...sorry, my first post here
here’s a link to your own blog showing how respectful a&m is to women http://texags.com/main/forum.reply.asp?topic_id=571143&page=1&forum_id=5
Now let's be fair
That blog had multiple posters.
Beergut’s blog is www.iamthe12thman.com
You’ll see, the majority of “comments” are just beergut rambling to himself.
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by AUKingOState on Oct 18, 2011 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions
ISU fans aren't the only ones who think Aggies used to blow it in jars...
Look, messed up stuff happens everywhere, there’s a reason that anyone who isn’t an Aggie and has spent time in College Station or around a bunch of Aggies thinks you guys are nuts.
This isn’t about Redpots. This is about the ridiculous behavior of Texas A&M University. That was merely an illustration of the depths of lunacy that are rumored to occur there.
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by NormanUnderwood on Oct 17, 2011 7:15 PM CDT reply actions
OK?
I guess I’m just glad I got out of there alive! ;)
“The depths of lunacy that are rumored to occur there”…
Texas A&M is the 7th largest University in the country. Sure there are a lot of “odd” traditions and history but everyone acts like it is a 500 student CULT down in nowhere Texas that people are afraid to visit. It boggles my mind what people must image the classrooms look like down there. I’ll give you hint: It’s a bunch of college kids. With a freshman class around 10,000 you can imagine the assortment of personalities, cultures, and people that are there. Have you ever been to College Station? It’s really bizarre, but it’s almost like it’s a college town!
Have fun judging others.
-cheers
You must fail at reading comp
I went to College Station in ‘09. I had fun. It was still crazy cultish and the more time has passed, and I’ve seen A&M fans so willing to blow up their own program and throw a bunch of other schools under the bus in the process for a gain that is minor at best, I’ve lost a ton of respect for the group as a whole.
TAMU seriously jeopardized entire universities so you could participate in a stupid chant while the football team gets waxed. Not sure what ISU/KSU/KU/Baylor etc ever did to TTU (beside voting for Big 12 equal revenue sharing) to deserve having to sweat through conference realignment, but A&M had not only the gall to threaten all of our existences, but then get publicly upset at Baylor for wanting to fight for their rights. It’s unbelievable, and anyone who can put down the “Texas is evil” blinders can see that Texas A&M University has been nothing short of a crazed villain in all of this realignment. There doesn’t seem to be external justifications/rationality for the moves TAMU is making. I think of that line in the Dark Knight where Bruce Wayne’s butler tells the story of the sociopath in the Burmese jungle that slaughtered innocent villages for fun. “Some men just want to watch the world burn”. That’s Aggie right now.
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by NormanUnderwood on Oct 17, 2011 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Please explain to me how realignment talks "jeopardized entire universities"
That is baseless hyperbole.
A&M actually did everything they could to keep the Big 12 together while leaving the conference. While certain fans like me would have been perfectly okay with blowing up the Big 12 (just to screw over Baylor, who I have always believed doesn’t belong in an AQ conference), our administration doesn’t feel that way. You seem to be ignoring the fact that A&M saved the Big 12 last Summer because we had people in our athletic department who felt the conference was worth saving.
If you want to get angry at someone, get angry at the leaders in your athletic department who put you in a debt situation you have no possible hope of getting out of yourself, and put you at the mercy of conference alignment. I’m a fan of Paul Rhoads, and root for ISU when they aren’t playing A&M, but I also think if your athletic administration can’t build your athletic department to the point where you are desirable to other BCS conferences, maybe you don’t belong in a BCS conference.
There doesn’t seem to be external justifications/rationality for the moves TAMU is making.
Actually, there is, although I’m not sure you can see it in Ames. texas’ joint venture with ESPN means, whether ’sips want to admit it or not, that the WWL now has a vested interest in seeing texas do well athletically, and will be pro-texas in their media coverage. A&M, lacking a similar sweetheart media arrangement with ESPN, can counter this move by doing the next best thng, which is join a conference (SEC) that ESPN also has a vested interest in seeing succeed, and also does its best to provide positive media coverage of that conference.
It's cute how you don't capitalize "Texas."
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Right. You saved the Big 12 last Summer. Sure.
Now excuse me while I die laughing.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 18, 2011 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
While I may disagree with Beergut for some of his points, at least I can respect them, but I lost all respect when he said Texas A&M “saved” the Big 12 last summer. Ags have been trying to get out for at least 2 years. AT LEAST.
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If we had wanted to leave, we had the option to go to the SEC last Summer
If we were trying to get out in 2010, why did we agree to stay when we had the option to leave? Fact is, we had people in our athletic department who believed the Big 12 was worth saving, so we made the decision to stay. If we had left, texas is gone to the PacX, along with Tech, OU, and OSU, but believe what you want to believe.
by Beergut on Oct 18, 2011 10:57 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
But wait, then why didn't Texas go to the Pac whatever this year?
They had even less reason to stay than last year…
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And why didn't A&M feel the BXII was worth saving this year?
after Texas made concessions to save the BXII surely A&M should want to stay since those concessions revolved directly around the things A&M was so pissed about in the first place right?
Because texas made those concessions AFTER we made it clear we were leaving
By then it was too late.
by Beergut on Oct 18, 2011 5:25 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
To my knowledge
the i’s had not been dotted nor the t’s crossed. In today’s contractualist society it wasn’t too late.
or, how about instead of A&M simply bolting, they join their fellow conference bretheren in trying to convince Texas into making those concessions? If aggie was/is so loyal to BXII and willing to save it, one would think they’d make those attempts prior to jumping ship.
Because you couldn't actually get out last summer
and you sighed and pretended to be loyal because you had nowhere else to go.
Let’s not be disingenuous.
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by jonfmorse on Oct 18, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bullshit
There was nothing to keep us from leaving, which is why the have-nots in the Big 12 tried to bribe us to stay.
by Beergut on Oct 18, 2011 5:27 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Tried?
They succeeded, only to have you go back on the deal.
Aggie honor code. Wheee.
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We had a better option, and took it
Just like K-State or any other school could have. We followed protocol to leave the Big 12. We disn’t back out of anything, because we never received any of the $20 million promised. We decided to leave for a better deal.
by Beergut on Oct 18, 2011 5:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
FIFY
We decided to leave for a better different deal.
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Because you hadn't received it YET, you mean.
Jesus, Beergut, at least the credit card company waits a month before cutting you off. You clowns started screaming about “not receiving” the $20M before the academic year from which that $20M in revenue was coming even ended.
So you can take that argument and cram it sideways. It’s just another excuse.
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by TB on Oct 18, 2011 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Or perhaps "bats"
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by Catbacker98 on Oct 18, 2011 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
NOOOOOO
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by jonfmorse on Oct 19, 2011 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
BS
What about the fact that aTm signed on to stay in the Big12 while negotiating with the SEC?
Since last years realignment drama ended just before the season, you basically bought time for yourself so you could figure out the best way to screw Texas over.
Is that ethical conduct becoming of an aggie?
Nobobdy else has recieved any of the money yet either. It’s not like we just decided to screw over aTm.
Do you have any idea
How much money a large public university that has been competing at the highest level of college sports since the inception of college sports stands to lose by a demotion to the next level down?
The trickle down is HUGE. Enrollment would drop, athletic revenues (which trickle down into other areas of the university) would dwindle as fan attendance dwindled. The economic effect to these communities that double in size on a game day and selling hundreds of thousands of dollars in tailgating supplies and hotel rooms would be a major shock wave.
If you can’t see the damage that would occur to a university that was removed from the BCS, you’re absolutely blind.
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by NormanUnderwood on Oct 18, 2011 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Though that's not necessarily A&M's duty to care about us
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Never said it was
But, when they sit their and call Texas a bad conference partner, when in fact they’re just as awful of a conference, they look like hypocrites.
They’re acting like some bastion of saints, and they’re anything but.
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by NormanUnderwood on Oct 18, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Agree fully there.
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My point was also to show
that the claim that A&M’s actions nearly (and still could) damaged entire universities and communities is anything BUT hyperbole. It’s very, very real.
A&M was close to causing irreparable harm to institutions they were formerly partnered with for no gain other than flipping Texas the bird.
If you have the power to keep someone alive, but you can kill them to make a dollar more/day, and you decide to take that dollar because it’s whats best for you, aren’t you a gigantic jack ass?
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by NormanUnderwood on Oct 18, 2011 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
We're leaving the Big 12 b/c it is the best option for us
It is not A&M’s responsibility to look out for ISU. If you’re angry one school leaving your conference could harm ISU, then go ask your athletic administration why they haven’t made ISU a more valuable entity?
by Beergut on Oct 18, 2011 11:04 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Look 2 replies above
Both of us already said it’s not A&M’s responsibility.
But if you’re going to chase the money/limelight away from Texas, then say that. Don’t act like you’re a partner in all this, looking to save the Big 12, but you were forced to leave.
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Where did we say we were forced to leave?
by Beergut on Oct 18, 2011 5:29 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
By saying Texas is the villian and taking no responsibility for your actions...
you’re pretty much implying the actions of UT/LHN forced your hand into leaving.
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Really?
How is the SEC a better option for you? You won’t make much more money, and you open your recruiting grounds, which you already share with two of the best programs in the game, to at least 3 or 4 more top shelf programs. Your ability to succeed on the field is greatly hampered as well. A&M has the resources to be the third most powerful Big 12 program and occasionally push past Texas and OU. In the SEC, you have at least twice as many top shelf programs to fight through.
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by NormanUnderwood on Oct 18, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Access to more locales for recruiting, including Louisiana and Florida
Better television deal and more games on ESPN
Better conference opponents in football which means we’re looking at more value for third-tier media rights
Opposing fanbases that actually travel, so we’ll be looking at expanding Kyle, which means an additional $1 million extra per home game off ticket sales alone.
The SEC has two top programs in Alabama and LSU right now, so if we go there right now and are third best in that conference, how woyld that be different from veing third best in the Big 12? The idea that we should be happy to be third best is why ISU has the problems they have. If we believe we can win the SEC as the only Texas team in the conference, why not join the SEC?
by Beergut on Oct 18, 2011 5:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Third best in the SEC?
You’re only SIXTH-best in the Big 12! Well, fifth, with Nebraska gone.
Delusion, thy name is Agatha.
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Right.
It isn’t like we won more conference titles and national titles than any other Big 12 school last year.
by Beergut on Oct 18, 2011 6:01 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
This doesn't make sense
and it isn’t obvious what you meant to say in that comment…?
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What, you think one single year matters?
Are you really that drunk?
If I’d said in October 2004 that K-State would be the third-best team in the SEC, I’d have gotten laughed off whatever forum I was on… and K-State actually WON the Big 12 in 2003. If I then responded with “herp derp we won the Big 12 last year”, the laughter would just get louder.
But, hey, congrats on remembering last week that a football game lasts 60 minutes, not 35. Proud of you for that.
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Do you
(is there extension to the aTm fanbase on your viewpoints? Your attitude indicates yes but the aTm blog following indicates no…) really believe these things you mentioned?
Access to more locales for recruiting, including Louisiana and Florida
- LSU will still get any La recruit it wants and UF, FSU, MiaF will still get any recruit they want. Now Ala, LSU, Ark will come browsing your selection of Tex recruits.
which means we’re looking at more value for third-tier media rights
- Value for aTm’s third tier media rights… only if leveraged properly which the aTm powers-that-be have shown no evidence of possessing the ability required to leverage this.
if we go there right now and are third best in that conference
- ATm is not third best in the SEC right now. They would not be third best in relative points in history ever of the SEC and aTm (past). ATm is not likely to be third best in the SEC overall in the near future either.
from [b]eing third best in the Big 12
- ATm is not third best in the Big 12 right now either (season is in progress so this could stay the same, improve, or worsen by the end of 2011 season).
we believe we can win the SEC as the only Texas team in the conference
- What does being the only Texas team in the SEC have to do with winning it? Nothing at all. Point fail.
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Beergut, One of us doesn't understand third tier media rights
If you are playing better conference opponents in football wouldn’t those media rights cease being third tier and at least become second tier media?
by Eric Grandusky on Oct 18, 2011 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
SEC has no third-tier football rights for conference games, if I'm understanding their structure properly.
The SEC’s media deals enable them to broadcast all conference games on CBS or the “SEC Network”. Third tier only comes into play when you don’t have enough broadcast slots to handle all your games.
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You just gave LSU an invitation to your own backyard.
If Mizzou should join the SEC you will both have fun playing for the CommonSenseLess Cup.
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by Catbacker98 on Oct 18, 2011 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, Beergut, it WAS A&M's responsibility to look out for ISU
and KU and KSU and Missouri and OU and OSU and Baylor and Tech and oh god yes even Texas. It became A&M’s responsibility when A&M chose to align themselves with a conference. You’re all supposed to look out for each other. Compete against each other as well, yes, absolutely, but ultimately you are PARTNERS.
Texas has shown that they actually understand this. Aggies continually show that not only do they not understand it, they actively scoff at it. Got news for you, bud. That won’t play in the SEC.
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by jonfmorse on Oct 18, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Not only do they not understand it
They pretend that it is another reason they want to leave. Because our conference doesn’t look out for each other like the SEC. Because schools like aTm screw everyone else over any chance they get.
Circular logic is circular.
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by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 18, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
It became clear this wasn't a conference
When the leadership of the Big 12 at the time didn’t try to stop texas from putting HS content on their television network until after A&M said they were gone.
texas has shown they understand this, huh? How? By telling TCU they won’t be an equal member of the conference until 2016? If you think texas is looking out for the concerns of Kansas State, you may be too naive to go outside alone.
by Beergut on Oct 18, 2011 5:53 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
It still is a conference.
Therefore it cannot ever have been obvious (or true) that the Big XII isn’t a conference (excepting prior to its inception, of course). Texas is looking out for the concerns of KSU (as you submit and claim to be false) in the manner of looking out for its interests and wanting the survival of its current conference i.e. Big XII.
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Having you lecture me about Texas
is like having Charles Lindbergh warning me about Communists.
And the HS content was gone before you left. You made the demand, the Big 12 stepped in and stopped it, then the NCAA ruled it wasn’t acceptable, and THEN you left. So shut up about that. The Aggie Honor Code demands you stop lying.
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Difference in television money between BCS and non-BCS
is about $19 million per school.
Forgive me if I call bullshit on the claim enrollment would drop at ISU if y’all went nonAQ. I seriously doubt the vast majority of ISU students chose the school b/c of their athletic teams.
by Beergut on Oct 18, 2011 11:00 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
But it hurts them from the prospective of marketing
They may only have a small national spotlight, but they still do have one that helps attracts students to their school.
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Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
Exactly.
I’d even admit you’d be an idiot to choose ISU for athletic success, but exposure is exposure. Hasn’t TCU had increased admissions coinciding with their successful run?
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Applications
Applications are way up at TCU, but admissions have stayed the same. So, in a round about way, successful football has actually increased their academic standing. Irony.
They shall know me by the tang of my bitter and untenable jadedness.
Boise State agrees with this.
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Little known fact
Rice University was essentially founded when the captain of the football club at the Masonic Male Institute of San Augistine approached William Marsh Rice about sponsoring his team.
Rice agreed, recognizing a fantastic opportunity to launder money generated by his opium empire had just fallen into his lap.
Rice University existed only on paper and the gridiron for years. In fact, not a single class had ever convened when that football club joined in the founding of the Southwest Conference.
The rest, as they say, is history. By associating with the likes of SMU, OK State, and Arkansas Rice University developed into a top-notch academic institution.
by gs3m on Oct 18, 2011 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Do you have any evidence applicatioms at ISU went up as a result of their membership in the Big 12?
by Beergut on Oct 18, 2011 6:04 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Of course applications didn't go up when ISU joined the Big 12
Remember, ISU was in the Big 8 prior to the formation of the Big 12.
Applications likely went down, because, you know….consorting with secessionists. The former Big 8 footprint by-and-large loves America and sides AGAINST the terrorists.
by gs3m on Oct 18, 2011 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Here ya go...
Iowa State enrollment numbers (from http://nces.ed.gov/)
1995 – 24,673
1996 – 24,899
1997 – 25,384
1998 – 25,585
Increased each year – the Big XII formed in 1994 (sports began in 1996 seasons).
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by dimecoverage on Oct 18, 2011 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions
You're really asking that?
It’s an irrelevant question. Iowa State was never NOT a member of the Big 8/12, at least not since before anyone paid attention to anything.
The absence of data showing an increase that couldn’t have taken place as the result of an action is completely irrelevant to the question of whether the opposite action would cause a decrease. Of course, I wouldn’t expect someone with a degree in ovine gynecology to understand this.
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by jonfmorse on Oct 18, 2011 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're even more delusional than the Mizzou guy who claims it will be $12mil.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
If you don't think it would hurt enrollment, you're an idiot.
Athletics aside, the Big12 also brings with it research money that a non-AQ very well may not. That is not money for athletics, that is money for academics.
Also, if ISU were to drop to a non-AQ conference for athletics, the AD budget would be shattered. That would mean the AD could very well require funds from the state just to have teams even after slashing the budget. That means several scholarship sports would be axed. That leaves a skeleton AD with a budget supported by state money which takes state money away from academics.
Do you think that would hurt enrollment?
What research money is tied to the Big 12?
As for the effects.on your athletic department, again, it isn’t A&M’s fault the idiots who run your athletic department decided to take on debt service they have no hope of paying off without television money. No one at A&M told ISU to mortgage their future. That is on you.
As for the effects of being in a non-AQ, like I said before, if ISU can’t prove it belongs in a BCS conference on its own merits, maybe you should stop putting yourself in debt in a hopeless attempt to compete, and go to a smaller conference. If ISU is so weak a move to a nin-AQ would shatter the athletic department, you don’t belong in a BCS conference in the first place.
by Beergut on Oct 18, 2011 6:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
A&M is certainly not the posterchild for fiscal athletic department responsibility,
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by Catbacker98 on Oct 18, 2011 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Beergut, I assume you are laughing at yourself the entire time you type this
because any other explination will make me want to weep since the level of your delusion is beyond repair. May God have mercy on your soul.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mac attack ict on Oct 18, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
This is weak, even from you.
How would Iowa State losing probably ten million a year not be bad for it?
Don’t even get started on financing stuff of the the Big 12 money – it wouldn’t even be an issue if we could have trusted Texas A&M.
what about CU and Neb
you keep on leaving out the fact that both of those colleges left LAST year. THAT started the instability. FOCUS PEOPLE. get over it. it’s over. you hate us, we could care less about you. we will never play you again so WHO CARES!!!!!!!!!!
Well, if you don't care, then...
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i have a problem...
of reading this crap and getting mad. my fault but i just can’t help myself. ha!
we don't play Nebraska or Colorado this week - we're completely dedicated to our Aggie brethren
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Great post. Thank you for acknowledging that Texas was not the only bad player in this conference mess. Several teams were complicit, including A&M. Texas is definitely to blame for a lot of issues, but most of our anger comes from this holier-than-thou attitude from Nebraska and A&M about big bad, Texas when they were just as responsible.
I look forward to many years of A&M’s doormat status in the SEC.
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The only way to make these rumors go away is to embrace it
embrace the jizz A&M
just because I rock, doesn't mean I'm made of stone.
by ClonesJer on Oct 17, 2011 7:21 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
bullshit.
There are so many parts to this ridiculous article that are false. Texas A&M was ranked #6 in the top schools of the nation. Sounds like a horrible school? Not. Clearly the writer, and majority of you guys don’t even have a college level intelligence. Get your facts straight if you want to talk shit & by the way, jealously is a horrible thing. Get over your self.
Thanks & Gig "Em
does anyone use "Not" anymore?
even the middle of Iowa thinks that ship has sailed
just because I rock, doesn't mean I'm made of stone.
Well, DUH!
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This suit is nooooooot black.
Greg Davis haikus; a lot like his offenses; always go sideways.
by pleaseplaykindle on Oct 18, 2011 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Hope you tornadobirds have fun in the MWC in a few years
You might have a chance to win an outright conference title for the FIRST TIME IN SCHOOL HISTORY! Maybe, for a few brief seconds, while you’re celebrating your championship and resulting Poulan Weedeater bowl berth, you’ll forget that you live in Iowa and your life sucks. That will be a sweet moment.
By the way, you should probably call Mike Slive and tell him that A&M won’t bring more money to the SEC tv deal. Sounds like you have some information he doesn’t know about.
ISU is as competitive in the big XII
as aTm wil be in the SEC.
by CyssorMeTimbers on Oct 17, 2011 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions
But they get to chant "SEC"!
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by NormanUnderwood on Oct 17, 2011 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Call me crazy...
…but I think A&M can be as competitive in the SEC as they have in the Big 12.
Looking at that league I don’t think maintaining a record just over .500 with a shot at a title every 15-20 years is a stretch for the Aggies.
by gs3m on Oct 18, 2011 6:52 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
Fair enough
Just goes to show far they’ve fallen.
Quick question: What school has more bowl victories and revenue sport championships since Big 12 inception? ISU or TAMU?
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by NormanUnderwood on Oct 18, 2011 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Not sure 'fallen' is appropriate
After 15 years maybe it should be called a baseline?
A&M is a middle of the pack Big 12 team.
…and Cyclones of course!
by gs3m on Oct 18, 2011 9:50 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
What revenue sports titles does ISU have?
I recall a men’s basketball conference title with Kelvin Cato, but other than that, I’m drawing a blank.
Not sure why I should care how many bowl games ISU has won when they have beaten A&M once in football since the inception of the Big 12.
by Beergut on Oct 18, 2011 11:08 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'll also ignore bowl games, but 2000 and 2001 B12 Basketball Titles.
Cato left in 1997, btw.
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I liked Cato
Watched him when he came to College Station one time, just a monster talent.
by Beergut on Oct 18, 2011 6:26 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I thought Tamu was like 42-47 over the last decade or so in the Big 12.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
Maybe...
…but their league record over the entire existence of the conference was somewhere around .511 at the start of this season.
by gs3m on Oct 18, 2011 10:50 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Which puts them around 5th or 6th in the Big 12, I believe.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
You're always welcome to remind Aggies of these two facts:
#A&M had the sixth-best winning percentage in conference games during the 12-team era of the Big 12. Not fourth; that was Kansas State, and even if KSU had gone 0-9 while A&M went 9-0 in conference this year, all they’d have managed to do is TIE K-State. That’s how far back they are. And not fifth, either; that’s Texas Tech, and A&M’s eight games behind THEM. That’s right, in the history of the Big 12, A&M’s not even the second best team in Texas.
#A&M’s all-time record against K-State is 8-7. Here’s the funny part: their record against K-State in the Big 12 era is 5-4. You know what that means? The storied tradition of great football at Texas A&M includes a 3-3 record against Kansas State before Bill Snyder ever showed up in Manhattan. You know, back when Kansas State made Wake Forest and Vanderbilt and Duke look good by comparison.
Feel free to use these facts for your amusement whenever necessary.
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by jonfmorse on Oct 18, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
(See, this is what happens when you present an Aggie with incontrovertible facts. They fall asleep.)
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Golly gosh they beat us that one time
thanks to a fumble and a blown call. I have been put in my place.
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"you’ll forget that you live in Iowa and your life sucks."
Says the dude who lives in Texas. Something something pot kettle.
"We're getting drunk today, Rand. Quart of rye each."
by NormanUnderwood on Oct 17, 2011 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions
isn't Texas a raging inferno right now?
its like living on an indy car track
just because I rock, doesn't mean I'm made of stone.
Yes....far too soon. Go hide in shame for many months.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by mac attack ict on Oct 18, 2011 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep, it's still really hot in Houston.
Cool front is about to come through though. Highs in the 70s starting tomorrow. Perfect.
I’ll take the heat over bitterly cold winters.
the only appropriate response to this is...
my dad could beat up your dad
by CyssorMeTimbers on Oct 17, 2011 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions
i meant the forest fires ... or tumbleweed fires?
just because I rock, doesn't mean I'm made of stone.
WAY too soon.
A guy died, man. A dad, with two very young kids.
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." *Victor Hugo*
There was a good article in Forbes about the ESPN/SEC deal. Basically, ESPN is under no obligation to sweeten their deal wit the SEC, no matter how many schools are added. It all depends on market share and tv numbers and if the conference can’t prove that the schools actually add to that, then ESPN is under no obligation to shell out more dollars.
You had better hope Missouri bolts for the SEC because A&M does not have the kind of market share that could inflate the numbers.
If ESPN does not increase the revenue paid to the conference, then you will be splitting all those dollars with more SEC teams. Even Aggies can under stand that math.
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by dimecoverage on Oct 18, 2011 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Wait…you seriously think Mizzou brings more tv sets to the SEC than A&M? Wow.
Someone really needs to tell Slive and all of the SEC presidents that adding A&M is going to dilute the tv money! They must have no idea what they’re doing!
Kansas City/St. Louis market.
Check the market share. And yes, that market is much bigger than any Aggie can bring to the SEC.
But these are just pesky facts. Feel free to carry on with your mind-numbing Aggie logic.
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by dimecoverage on Oct 18, 2011 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, to be fair, Mizzou doesn't really bring KC
or, if one insists that they DO, then one must also concede A&M brings 30 million people to the SEC. So, no, Mizzou does not bring more TV sets to the SEC than A&M, as much as I’d like it to be true.
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really????
Honest question. Mizzou doesn’t bring KC market? Sports Talk radio guys here in Houston say that like it’s a hard core fact that everyone should know. Obviously you live close or in the area (or used to), so you would know better than Houston sporst talk guys. Learned something new I guess….
I don't understand "t-sip" as an insult. I like drinking tea, and when is being classy a bad thing?
There are two ways to claim a school brings a market.
The first is the one which involves cable carriage of a conference network. A school “brings the market” in areas where local cable companies simply CANNOT get away with carrying the network. Under that definition, Missouri certainly brings the entire state of Missouri, plus the suburban areas of St. Louis in Illinois and Kansas City in Kansas… but by the same measure, Texas A&M brings the entire state of Texas, even Austin. No cable carrier in Texas can get away with declining to carry an SEC Network with A&M in tow, because their phone lines would melt.
The other is the one which involves fanbase presence. In that model, A&M does not bring all of Texas; they really only bring East Texas and Houston. (TCU, Tech, and Texas all outnumber then in DFW; Texas outnumbers them in Austin/San Antonion; Tech blows everyone away in West Texas.) By that same model, Missouri does not carry Kansas City; the KC metro population is actually pretty evenly split between Kansas and Missouri and Lawrence itself is part of the KC television market; KU outnumbers Missouri in the Kansas City market all by themselves, never mind K-State. Missouri barely pulls a quarter (if that) of the Kansas City market as a result.
So, either A&M beats Missouri about 30 million (Texas) to 8 million (Missouri plus suburban KC/STL), or A&M beats Missouri by about 6 million (A&M fanbase catchment) to 4 million. Just depends on which model you’re looking at.
Clear it up for you?
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CORRECTION
A school "brings the market" in areas where local cable companies simply CANNOT get away with carrying the network.
Should have read:
A school "brings the market" in areas where local cable companies simply CANNOT get away with not carrying the network.
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thank you
I had a basic understanding of a school’s “market.” It’s just the way people down here and other cities say, “Mizzou brings KC/StL, that’s why they’re desirable.” With so many people saying it matter-of-factly you just assume it’s true. Obviously a guy with a Royals avatar would probably know more than the UH grad on the radio. Thanks
I don't understand "t-sip" as an insult. I like drinking tea, and when is being classy a bad thing?
It is true...
…your Simpsons reference does add a lot to this discussion, but I’d gladly give it up for just a few more.
by gs3m on Oct 18, 2011 9:19 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Fact Check: There is NO such thing as "Texas Aggie"
The end of the article contains a reference to a “Fighting Texas Aggie”. This is an error as there is NO such thing as a Texas Aggie… fighting or any other kind. It would be like saying Norther Iowa Cyclone or Iowa State Hawkeye. No such beings exists.
In Texas you’ll find… Texas Longhorns… Texas Tech Red Raiders… TCU Horned Frogs… Baylor Bears… Houston Cougars… and a gaggle of others including the “Texas A&M Aggies”.
To paraphrase a wise man, the TAMU marketing department may wish in one hand for a change to the university’s name and crap in the other…
I know
I was mocking those dipshits for trying to brand themselves as such.
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by NormanUnderwood on Oct 17, 2011 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Gotta be careful...
They filter out all information that doesn’t support their view. :-) It was a nice write up.
Aggies are like North Koreans. They just follow A&M dogma blindly and rewrite their history as needed to support that dogma.
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by dimecoverage on Oct 18, 2011 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions
God bless you for writing this article.
You have encapsulated everything I have ever thought of A&M in one place.
I live in Houston, and have to hear Aggie shit all the time. They are so much more fucked up than Texas fans. Tech folks are cool and the other Texas schools are pretty cool too. I can say this because I am a Pokes fan.
Anyway, thanks again.
A small world htown,
but I’m glad it can be filled with aggy hate.
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by AUKingOState on Oct 18, 2011 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions
If you watch "The Lord of the Rings" backwards it's about this little dude that finds a really cool ring in a volcano and spends the rest of the three movies walking home.
by lnghrn53 on Oct 17, 2011 10:00 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Mr. Underwood,
That was a perfectly written synopsis of A&M’s move and an accurate generalization of the character of the school and its alumni. The “jizz jar” item that has been questioned in the comments below has been an open secret for 50 years or more.
On an individual basis, I personally know a few individual Aggies who are fine human beings. As an institution or an aggregate, I wouldn’t trust these SOB’s to tell me whether it’s daylight or dark.
Again, congratulations on getting it right from afar. I thought you had to grow up around these pathetic wannabe’s to recognize them for what they are, but you nailed it. Kudos.
And this article is worthy of what?
You know I don’t mind it when others have differences of opinions. I came here to read this article because I wasnted to see the situation from the other side of the opinion. But you totally made the value of this article worthless when you wrote the first comment of “But God damn it”.
You have the right to say things like: “You are hypocritical, dishonest, and demented.” But you totally take away the value of anything you say when you ended with “Go fuck yourself”.
You have shown your true mentalality by using this langauge in an article to be read by many (maybe including young sports fans).
Seriously?
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 18, 2011 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions
So, your argument is that his opinion is nullified because he swore?
Brilliant. Maybe if he’d change the “offensive” portions to “goldarnit” and “go fornicate with a herpes-infested bovine”, you’d reconsider?
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now now, don't go using big words an ag can't understand
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by AUKingOState on Oct 18, 2011 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, ISU isn't One of the Big XII's Better Teams
Sorry. Can you tell me any major football conference where each college has a chance to win every year? In the Big 10, say hello to Indiana, Purdue, and Minnesota. In the ACC, please meet Duke, and Wake Forest (who are rearing their heads this year), in the SEC, Vanderbilt, Kentucky and Mississippi State. And this is what I don’t like about the college game versus the pro game. If you don’t like having potential upsets from the weaker teams, then go watch the NFL, where any team has a chance on any given Sunday.
See, those of us who go to school at Iowa State, especially those of us who went there in the 80s and early 90s, we know our team sucks. But since the mid-90s, things have gotten better. Iowa State isn’t a football university. You don’t see a lot of yokels who didn’t go to college driving around with Iowa State stickers on their car. The only people you see (or at least when I lived there up until 1996) with this kind of pride are people who actually went to the school. I know, what a concept, to root for a team that you actually were connected to on a real level, not a fan level.
So go ahead and tell us we suck. That we don’t belong in the conference. When our team goes and beats yours on your home field, we know how that feels to you. It’s taken a long time, but I think a lot of us feel like the university is FINALLY moving in the right direction. Then teams start bailing into other conferences. Sorry, but now YOU GUYS suck. I mean, what did you expect? That we would say, “Oh, okay, go ahead and leave, we understand?” No. We’d actually prefer that you eat a big shitburger.
Smuffy, go get a lockdown for your kids computer.
by jezmez68 on Oct 18, 2011 9:09 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
The weakest argument ever
Is “your school sucks, so you don’t get an opinion.”
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And now y'all know why aggie is a verb,
Things I approve of, in ascending order:
Often, a Mason jar full of Corps member’s semen, i.e., a “redpot”, was placed on to the bonfire.
Sounds like you have had to pound amason jarredpot one too many times
I thought being butthurt relied on doing something really fucking moronic to save face because you hate Texas that much, even though every vote your school has had in regards to complaints about the Big 12 was AGAINST THE SAME FUCKING THINGS YOU’RE BITCHING ABOUT NOT HAVING RIGHT NOW. I must have missed the memo that it changed to just bitching because you hate Texas and can’t stand being below them.
Fuck Aggy that is all
I knew there was a reason I drink in the morning, reading Aggy rants sober would probably cause an aneurism.
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by AUKingOState on Oct 18, 2011 9:49 AM CDT reply actions 5 recs
Oh, and excellent work, many of these comments should be green'd, soon.
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by AUKingOState on Oct 18, 2011 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Tht as mi mostele
I’ve had 3 anyrisms alrdy
Would you like some Freys with that?
by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 18, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
FUCKIN SPECTACULAR!
AND YES I REALLY AM YELLING THIS AT THE TOP OF MY LONGS IN REAL LIFE BECAUSE IT WAS THAT AWESOME!
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Hank Hill: It's like a debate team, only instead of doing something useless you get to grade the cut and quality of meat!
by MeatGeek on Oct 18, 2011 10:20 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Great writing!
Any aggie defending themselves on this site just proves they are delusional.
Bitchslapping Texas since 1997
Wow, a bit late to the party, but Bravo
That redpot thing is disturbing, sounds like something that even a subhuman tribe wouldn’t do in their rituals.
And yet a subhuman tribe does that, they're known as Aggies
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This article justifies my whole reasoning behind adding WRNL to my blogs....
Yall are fuckin hilarious
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I had a good friend who was on the faculty at TT some years ago.
He still has a loathing for both A&M and Texas. In his opinion, they were both so full of themselves that you couldn’t have a reasonable conversation with them. Their opinion was all that counted and even if you were able to prove your point logically and statistically, it was all an aberration.
In addition, because to the manner in which TT came about, A&M tried yearly to sabotage the TT budget in the legislature. There is very visceral and real hatred between A&M and Tech and aTm going to the SEC isn’t going to change that.
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A Serious Question
Since the ‘Aggie Bonfire’ traditionally precedes the UT v. A&M game, and that game is not likely to occur in the foreseeable future, what game will be used to carry on this tradition?
The Red River Shootout makes the most sense. It is somewhat surprising that this game wasn’t the catalyst for such an important Aggie tradition. Does anyone know if this matter has been settled? Thanks.
Red River Shootout?
That game is between UT and Oklahoma. Not sure why Aggie would build a bonfire for it, but they’re more than welcome to do so I guess……
by longhornfan7628 on Oct 18, 2011 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, it is UT vs. Oklahoma
You’re being coy, aren’t you?
It is arguably the most important game of the year for UT. You have longhorn in your username. You should know that.
If it is UT’s most important game of the year then clearly it must be A&M’s as well, right? I mean, you’ve heard their ‘War Hymn’ haven’t you?
o k l a h o m a =/ t e x a s a & m
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by Spider_Monkey on Oct 18, 2011 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
n o t g e t t i n g t h e j o k e
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In all fairness...
It took me a bit to get his syntax (my little brain wants !=), so I think we’re even.
What I'm more surprised by
than the joke slipping past people is that nobody called you out on the fact that they don’t do the bonfire anymore since the collapse.
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Hell, I don't know.
That would require paying attention to wool fetishists.
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Aggie humor…No one gets it.
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by dimecoverage on Oct 18, 2011 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions
you do realize
that Texas references TAMU in their song too?? get your facts straight.
You're right. One sentence in "Texas Fight" about Aggies is the same thing as an entire song in Aggie War Hymn dedicated to hating Texas.
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please
don’t try and make it seem like everything we do is b/c of them. i know that it’s fun for everyone to say this but in reality it’s just not true.
Probably not,
but you have to admit the Aggie War Hymn is unbelievably Texas-centric.
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yes
there is another verse to the song but we don’t sing it. it is what it is. i know there are other schools out there that sing about their rival. not sure why this is a big deal.
Probably so...
but I am sure you have to look far and wide to find a school that addresses their rival in their anthem while not actually being in their same conference.
/dowehaveanexample
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Or has the entire stadium sway...
to simulate “sawing them off.”
I don't understand "t-sip" as an insult. I like drinking tea, and when is being classy a bad thing?
Yes it is!
please don’t try and make it seem like everything we do is b/c of them. i know that it’s fun for everyone to say this but in reality it’s just not true.
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
If it is UT’s most important game of the year then clearly it must be A&M’s as well, right? I mean, you’ve heard their ‘War Hymn’ haven’t you?
Touche, sir, and very well played. I tip my hat to you.
Can Missouri hurry up?
Can Missouri get the hell out as well and join their Jizz Chugging a&m brothers? Like to add some more teams here and get paid 20 million by the Show me State (Their cocks the freaks).
Giving time to Iowa State?
Foolishly clicked though and landed here, only to witness unwanted Big 12+/- schools wallow in misery as the death spiral for their conference continues in full view of the rest of the nation. It’s bad manners to look.
Aggies, the sooner you cut ties with these left-behinds, the better off they’ll be. Folks usually don’t trash others unless there’s a deep-seated resignation to humiliation behind it. Nobody likes being left behind, and nobody likes hardly being mentioned at all as one of the desired players in realignment. My alma mater’s safe, but I live in a city whose FBS program is screaming loudly to be included, yet being completely ignored because of their own decades-long futility. It’s sad, hard to watch, and even a bit pitiful, but in a few years, these afterthought schools will get used to athletics without scholarships and interest.
You’ve moved on and upward, Aggies, so do like we did with Georgia Tech and let them go in peace. Or pieces, really.
People should be left alone to grieve with their own kinfolks, so lets leave room for Kansas, Kansas State, Okie State, Texas Tech, and UT San Antonio folks and that Waco college to comment and commiserate. Tons of Big East blogs to ignore, too.
Our women are the prettiest, too, and just as these 12ers know they’re eventually gonna be left behind, they aren’t quite ready to admit it. I wouldn’t either.
by FatPearl on Oct 18, 2011 11:26 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Foolishly clicked...
Yet this is the only blog you subscribe to, the only comment you’ve ever made, and you joined SBNation today. How foolish.
Given the context of your rambling, I assume you’re an SEC homer so that leads me to believe you just learned to read no more than 30 seconds before signing up for this blog. So… Let me be the first to congratulate you! Good work!
Also the hypocrisy of everything I mentioned above and then you saying “People should be left alone to grieve with their own kinfolks, so lets leave room for Kansas, Kansas State, Okie State, Texas Tech, and UT San Antonio folks and that Waco college to comment and commiserate.” No wonder the Aggies want to blow your conference so badly. They’ll fit right in with your shit academics (minus Vanderbilt … which would be a “left-behind” in the Big XII) and kool-aid drinking, idiot fans.
Cool starry bra.
by Cyclones0507 on Oct 18, 2011 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I will return to this article when...
Texas and OU have finally figured out how to leave the Big 12 for a more preferred conference and the rest of the fans from the Big 12 are spewing vitriol at them for their “dishonesty.” Mr Underwood, even if your ridiculous story about the redpots were true, what exactly does that have to do with conference realignment?
Regardless, I’ll bite:
“If A&M had voted for equal revenue sharing Texas wouldn’t have to power they have today.”
Aaaahhhh I see, so A&M was the swing vote here. There I was thinking that the whole voting process was based on a majority. In fact, by Big 12 law, a change to the revenue sharing process requires a unanimous vote. But yeah, go with “Blame A&M” I’m sure it was somehow our fault.
“A&M never reached out to their fellow Big 12 schools to strengthen the league.”
What about Nebraska, or CU? Did they reach out when they were bolting the conference. Or, let’s turn the tables here. When Texas announced that they were basically going to ignore their original agreements for the LHN and start broadcasting HS games/highlights and even a CONFERENCE game on their own network, where were Iowa State, K-State, Kansas, Baylor et al? Hell, even OU didn’t do much to help us out when we were taking those issues to the Big 12 and the NCAA. I didn’t see ANY of those schools willing to stand up to Texas in the best interests of equality in the conference EXCEPT A&M. The fact that we made an issue out of it brought it to the forefront of the conference conversation. That’s when OU decided that they wanted to step up and do something. But let’s not get under any illusions here. Texas and OU would be in the Pac X right now if Larry Scott had said they wanted them. The “outreach” that you speak of only came after they realized they had no other options.
“Texas A&M will make a negligible financial gain in the SEC in terms of TV revenues”
Uuuuhhhh Not if the SEC renegotiates their TV deal. Which they will.
“In the SEC A&M will also have a much more difficult time fielding a competitive squad.”
Your recruitment argument is entirely speculative. However, speaking from a purely football standpoint, we actually match up quite well with the SEC. We have a good run D (It’s our pass D that’s shit) and a good, balanced offense with a physical line. We can run the ball well and throw it over the top too. Talentwise, we aren’t on the same level as Bama or LSU, but many elite Texas recruits go to the SEC every year, who’s to say some of them won’t stay in Texas if they can still stay in the SEC. They could literally have their cake and eat it. As I said, any and all arguments regarding recruitment are totally speculative at this point.
“As far as stability goes, that’s another ridiculous argument out of A&M.”
Is it? You act like A&M were the cause of all the instability in the Big 12. Why did Nebraska and Colorado leave? Because they didn’t like the amount of power Texas had. Colorado apparently fought tooth and nail to keep Texas out of the Pac 12 for that very reason. Texas went back on their initial word about the LHN and were prepared to do more with it had A&M not stepped up and then subsequently, the rest of the Big 12. We left for the same reasons that NU and CU did. I don’t see you accusing them of lunacy or a deep seeded hatred of Texas. They had contracts with the Big 12 too you know. Our administrators did not appreciate the inconsistencies and the balance of power that was leaning squarely in the direction of Austin, so we took up an option for a conference where no such administrative favoritism exists.
“You are mad at Baylor for reserving their right to sue you after you breached a contract with them?”
Actually, we broke no contract with Baylor or the Big XII, we left the league through perfectly legitimate means. The lawsuit that Baylor were threatening was against the SEC for alleged tortious interference. You have basically made an entirely false statement here in pursuit of making A&M look bad. Baylor literally had no legal grounds to sue Texas A&M. The SEC put the move on hold while they looked at the viability of Baylor suing them. Once they realized that Baylor’s threats of a tortious interference suit were baseless, they went ahead and announced the move. Your claim is simply ridiculous here.
While you might have some legitimate frustrations with A&M for walking away instead of trying to hash it out, you have ruined your credibility with a series of ignorant statements. Apparently the red mist took over and you lost the ability to think coherently. Mr Underwood, I get it, as an Iowa State fan, you have a vested interest in the survival of the Big 12. But this article does nothing but show you up as a bitter, ignorant soul who is simply looking for an out when the conference inevitably collapses. I will warn you now. Texas and OU will eventually find a better deal, and when they do, you will be left scrambling again. Will it still be A&M’s fault when that day comes? Or NU? Or CU? Or will you finally figure it out? The Big XII was horrendously flawed from the beginning and it still is. Too much has happened since NU cut ties last year. I, for one, believe that ISU will end up in the B1G when all is said and done. But if ISU were in the position that A&M is now, I would give them no fault for looking out for their best interests. Last year, we thought that ours lay with the Big 12, once it became apparent that the Longhorns had not changed their tune since NU’s departure, we decided that our best interests lay elsewhere. Your article is ridiculous, sir. Get informed.
Correction:
The SEC put the move on hold while they looked at the viability of Baylor suing them. Once they realized that Baylor’s threats of a tortious interference suit were baseless, they went ahead and announced the move.
Incorrect. Once they realized that the Big 12 was going to survive, and thus Baylor would not be able to claim any actual damages from a tortious interference suit even if successful since the only damages Baylor would have suffered would have been a result of the collapse of the conference, they went ahead and announced the move.
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Fair enough
Either way, the suit was not aimed at A&M. My point still holds in principle.
Correction:
Either way, the suit was not aimed at A&M
There was no suit – Baylor (and other Big XII members) simply refused the silly request to waive their rights to sue should aTm leaving the Big XII end up collapsing the conference. Why is this misunderstanding so prevalent – that Baylor or any other Big XII member sued aTm when nothing of that sort happened?? :-s
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Because people, they are stupid.
A waiver of the right to seek legal redress is something that’s done when the party waiving said right receives consideration in return for agreeing not to sue. For instance, if you rear-end me, and offer me $1000 on the spot to get my car fixed, and I choose to accept that money… well, I’ve received something of value in return for giving up my right to seek satisfaction in court.
The SEC wasn’t offering Baylor, or any other Big 12 school, anything; therefore, there was no justification to request that the Big 12 schools waive their rights. None. Now, normally when a party gets pissed off because you refuse to just give them something for free without anything in return whatsoever, well, we have a word for that.
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You're just clutching at straws now
Fine, the potential lawsuit would have been directed at the SEC, not A&M. The article clearly states that we were the ones getting mad over Baylor not waiving their right to sue US. They had no such right, thus that statement was false. THAT is what I was getting at. Baylor did not waive their right to sue the SEC, they had no basis for suing Texas A&M. No misunderstanding there, just a mixup in vernacular. I am aware that no actual lawsuit took place, I was speaking in hypotheticals I suppose.
Baylor had every right to sue A&M.
You have the right to sue anyone you want so long as it’s not frivolous. If Baylor had wished to present the case that A&M behaved fraudulently last summer, that would not have been a frivolous suit. It may not have been one that they WON, but I’m confident that it would have proceeded to a certain point without sanction against Baylor or their lawyers for misusing the legal system.
I may be misremembering, but I believe the SEC’s offer was not contingent on “don’t sue the SEC”, but “don’t sue, period”. The SEC wasn’t just concerned with being sued, but with the transition being free of ALL legal entanglements, even those simply between A&M and former partners. So if I AM remembering the wording correctly, the statement you’re objecting to wasn’t thoroughly correct, but neither was it INcorrect.
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How about...
That they never stated initially that they had plans to show a conference game, or that they never revealed their plans to show HS games until the season was practically upon us. They basically concealed the truth in the hopes that when it was revealed, it would be too late for people to do anything. And would you look at that, K-State v Texas is on the LHN… I’m sure K-State fans are thrilled about having to pay Texas to watch their team play.
Considering what they had to pay us to get us to agree?
I think we’re sort of fine with it. K-State will make more money as a result of that transaction than Texas will earn as a result of increased subscriber revenue (because, after all, you can’t get the damned LHN anywhere anyway)… and if you’re actually IN Kansas, you don’t have to pay Texas a dime because it’ll be on local television.
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Actually
I’’m pretty sure K-State @ Texas ISN’T on the LHN.
No, it's Kansas/Texas.
And he caught me, ‘cause I wasn’t paying attention either.
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Spateman - you ae simply full of it!
I’m sure K-State fans are thrilled about having to pay Texas to watch their team play.
This is a third tier game that they would not have seen anyway – yeah, they SHOULD be thrilled about seeing it now.
Your whole rambling comment is speculative and assumptive and based on zero knowedge.
Unless you sat in the Big 12, SEC and UT board meetings, you know jack shit. Spewing rhetoric as as facts makes your comments irrlevent.
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
Just an awesome post.
I’ve long since felt this way about A&M. And actually, I feel pretty much the same way about Nebraska, except they get a pass for at least leaving last year.
by hiphopopotamus on Oct 19, 2011 11:08 AM CDT reply actions
that makes
no sense. so if we had left last year and the Big 12 would have for sure blown up, it would be fine with you? now THAT makes sense.
Nebraska gets a free pass
in vitriol being spewed now at aTm because they left last year.
If you read around much at the time Nebraska decided they wanted to leave (it would be silly to believe the reasons put forth by NU are legitimate) then you saw that similar items were being written and said about them as about aTm now. Please note: I said similar items not identical or homogeneously analogous.
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*meant to subject this thus:
“I think hiphop meant Nebraska gets a free pass”
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that's fine..
i get that we’re hated and all of the blame is put on us. it’s just crazy to me that by reading this and all the comments, it’s like last year didn’t happen. it’s like we just woke up one day and said “hey, let’s leave this conference and screw everyone else.” it’s easier to put the blame on someone but as an Aggie grad i would like for people to see the whole picture. i have to remember that some people have tunnel vision and i can’t do anything to change that.
Look, let's be honest here.
The problem, not just with A&M but with Nebraska and now with Missouri, is that you leave and you try to deflect everything to “gosh, we really didn’t want to, sniffle, just bullies made us, we had no choice.”
You will notice that not one word has ever been said by any sentient being regarding Colorado’s departure, and while it’s true that nobody actually gives a crap about Colorado’s departure anyway, that’s not why nobody says anything. Colorado came out and said, “Hey, it’s been fun, but that’s where we really want to be” rather than “Waaaaaaaaa”.
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by jonfmorse on Oct 19, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Exactly
This is the most succinct, lucid explanation to date.
Additionally, the pattern of behavior on the part of Nebraska and A&M in years prior suggests that neither of those institutions would have behaved in a different manner than Texas had they ascended to its position.
In short, they come of as whiny, sore losers. Fortunately for Nebraska they’ve likely landed in a much better situation. I’m not sure the same can be said for A&M. We’ll see.
Actually their legacy, after being seduced by the SEC, will be as conference "whores"
In short, they come of as whiny, sore losers
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
As a longhorn fan this "we're Texas crap is old. Real winners don't say things like that.
by Weeper Ofthehouse on Oct 21, 2011 1:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Then you're not really a Longhorn fan
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
by Snide Aside on Oct 23, 2011 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
So true.
This is the hardest part for Aggie fans to understand. People aren’t mad simply because they’re leaving, it’s the fact they’ve tried this bullshit blame game on Texas, instead of just admitting it’s what they wanted to do anyway.
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Don't think they're mad that they're leaving, period.
Maybe some disappointment, but if they’d just said “Look, guys, we know this feels like we’re abandoning you, but Marlon Brando made us an offer we couldn’t refuse,” there would be NO vitriol. NONE.
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people wanted reasons why.
part of our reasons why just happened to involve ut and mostly looking out for ourselves, just as every other school that has changed conferences. if you want to see it as whining then that’s your problem. actually whatever reason we give would have been ridiculed. people are going to gripe but i don’t get why we still are debating this. it’s over, we’re gone, Big 12 is fine. let’s move on.
That is a good question
Why is this still being debated? More tot he point, why do Aggie fans insist on coming here to debate it?
We’d all long since happily moved on from ‘debating’ to ‘mocking’.
really?
this article being written a good month after our official move shows that you aren’t ‘over’ it.
Though you might not believe in the concept...
…of evolution, I think it might explain the communication issue we’re having here.
Without boring you with the basics, effectively the idea of natural selection is that over time those traits which contribute to the ability of a species to successfully reproduce will gain traction. Those traits that inhibit reproduction (say, by increasing mortality before adulthood is reached) will fall by the wayside.
When coupled with data that shows a correlation between self-esteem, perception by others, depression, and life expectancy it would not be surprising if the Aggie population is unable to distinguish between earnest engagement and ridicule.
hold up
there are sooo many big words in that last reply!! ;)
hey, i can take the ribbing and i totally get it. some of the statements in the article just hit me the wrong way. i have a line and it got crossed. but seriously, it’s just an article. i’m bored at work and this is taking up my time.
Crossed a line?
Let me thank you for taking the time translate your response into good old ’Merican English.
As a courtesy, let me reciprocate by attempting to use your Aggie dialect for my response:
Please accept my apologies for any violation of your restricted perimeter.
it wasn't your response.
that wasn’t directed at you. just some of the stuff written in the article and comments after.
Vegas is correct in how I meant it...
And again, I blame Nebraska just as much as I blame A&M. But when push came to shove, they got up and left. It sucks, but it was over and done with. As this post details, A&M’s deal feel through last year, so they backed down, signed the dotted line and reaffirmed with the Big XII…and then a year later, got up and left as soon as possible.
There’s plenty of blame to go around, but in my opinion, they’re the biggest culprits.
by hiphopopotamus on Oct 19, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
One thing I still don't get is why the SEC is considered the Promised Land
I mean, they’re good now…but conferences are (supposed to be) long-term associations and on-the-field fortunes change regularly. The SEC wasn’t too hot as recently as ten years ago, when Ohio State, Oklahoma, Miami, Florida State, Notre Dame, and USC tended to dominate the landscape. Who knows how long this current good fortune will last. Are these hot-to-move schools really that short-sighted?
We're going to play like we're in a bad mood.
Exactly...
The long term memory loss in this country is an epidemic…
Like my grandpa used to tell me, "sex is like basketball, you dribble before you shoot"
by Schzephranic CYcho on Oct 19, 2011 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions
on top of the fact that A&M has historically go their asses handed to them regularly by SEC teams
including the not-so-good one….
yep
The general consensus is that shady dealing is rampant within the SEC. The NCAA was too stupid to pin any blame on Auburn when they had the chance but I can see something sticking to a few SEC teams in the future.
Bama is back to prominence now, but it wasn’t long ago that they barely beat ISU in the Independence bowl on a blown field goal call.
Wow, just wow
Not sure how SBNation works financially, but if hits to a site = more revenue Norman just hit the friggin jackpot. I used friggin because somebody with muff in their screen name doesn’t like bad words. That is all. Nothing to add to the argument, just couldn’t resist adding a comment to this gloriously long debate.
Smuffy, smuffy, smuffy. Someone posting about bad words makes me giggle. Smuff you.
For what it's worth...
by Something Witty on Oct 19, 2011 4:44 PM CDT reply actions
Something witty - I want whatever it is you are drinking!
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
bravo.
well done. they are a fucking delusional cult so full of hate for texass & anyone with any REAL tradition that they are “cutting off their nose to spite their face”.
signed, someone banned from the aggy blog.
BTW they are snooty bunch for a team that is BARELY 500 in the big12.
has not been better than middle of the pack since beating up on Rice & SMU in the 80s & is like 1-11 in their last bowl games. The Galleryfurniture.com bowl really saved them from an emberassing o-fer since the beginning of the big 12.
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A&M is a Serial Cheater- Honor Code is BS
While the A&M University Academic Institution is a fine entity, the athletic department is a joke. For decades they have failed to live up to the honor code. Wide spread buying of players has been rampant since Bear Bryant days. Jackie Sherrill is known by most to be one of the dirtiest coaches in college football history, cheating and leaving every school he coached at on probation, Anyone that attended A&M knows trying to keep up with bigh brother Texas made many in leadership say bye to the honor code. It’s the elephant in the room in Texas, ask anyone about the car A&M had to repo from Eric Dickerson when he changed his mind to SMU or all the fancy cars behind the athletic dorm. This article BARELY scratches the surface: http://www.aolnews.com/2007/07/26/dirtiest-football-programs-3-texas-aandm/
What a shame those people brought on a fine school while misguided souls like beergut stand up for them and probably say everyone is doing it, the heck with the honor code. Well not everyone is doing it, KSU, KU, ISU, NE and the like were never part of that nonsense and we should have never rescued those in the SWC cesspool to begin with.
I was about to make a "John Blake would think they were dirty" joke
and then I found #2 on their list: Oklahoma.
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Yep
Yeah it’s a real shame, their hatred for and jealousy towards Texas would be so profound they would totally ignore their “honor code” when it comes to athletics. Funny thing is, when they do this, they only make themselves out to lose even more face. Top it off, not even close to winning a National Championship in football since pre WWII days.
Cue Aggie to argue with you that 1939 was the year WWII started.
Therefore, your entire argument is void.
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“I said that A&M was committed to the Big 12 as it is today. I chose those words very carefully. Since then, I have been accused of being a liar because I committed based on a 12-team conference as it was structured in June 2010. I said my words very carefully because I was not going to set myself into a situation where the conference was radically changed and we would be committed to being in a conference we didn’t really want to be a part of.” Dr. Loftin – a&m President
https://www.12thmanfoundation.com/membership/12th-man-magazine/featured-article.aspx
Did Bowtie mention that he was in conference with the SEC at the same time he carefully chose his words?
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
That wasnt yogart they fed you. It was a jizz jar.
I am so glad to be finally rid of the raging hypocrites that are A$M. The jizz jar is FACT. They are the #3 cheat ingest football program in the history of the ncaa. And finally as a Veteran that fake jack boot ensemble of closet queens they call the corp is a national embarrassment. They throw house dung at bands, grab their nuts in public (google “squeeze ags”) And WORSHIP male cheerleaders. Less than 1/3 actually ever go into the service and when they do they SUCK as leaders. A$M is a cult and all Texans know this to be the truth. Have fun SEC they are the gift that keeps giving. Like herpes, but in this case we found a cure. So long jizz jars.
by Weeper Ofthehouse on Oct 21, 2011 1:34 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Who Opened the Can of Crazy In Here?
My family has been a part of what was the Agricultural and Mechanical College of Texas since 1914. I graduated from Texas A&M University with the class of 1987 and received a graduate degree from Texas Technological University later, doing a little time at the University of Texas at Arlington and Southern Methodist University along the way. I’ve enjoyed the good natured rivalry that’s existed both academically and athletically and, although I’ve seen a little over-the-top behavior, for the most part it’s been fun. That ended here.
I’ve never heard of the jar of semen. It is absolutely not a part of any tradition of my school, and is either a fabrication, or the perverted act of a few individuals who are probably delivering pizzas right about now. Painting an entire University and it hundred of thousands of graduates with that broad brush is wrong. Period. There are individuals at every school that set a bad example. Just Google ‘Iowa State Graduate Arrested’ and you’ll see what I mean.
As for this conference realignment Imbroglio, College football has become a business. I believe it is wrong, but that’s what it is. Don’t confuse the shady half truths and back stabbing of that industry with the many fine graduates of any school. In the pursuit of money and fame, administrators have let this cancer grow where honor was once promoted, exercised and celebrated. Like art, it reflects the demise of our culture.
I, for one, choose to not reflect the poor values exercised by others. I will strive to not lie, cheat, steal or tolerate those who do. When I fail, I expect others to point out my shortcoming while extending a hand. I encourage you to do the same, be ye Aggie, Cyclone, Longhorn, Raider or other. Baylor, not so much.
You may all, as may I, go to hell in the way of your choosing.
by duffelpud on Oct 21, 2011 9:22 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Rex-beergut
What no reply to being rated as the 3rd dirtiest program in College Football history? What happened to your precious “honor code” of not to Lie, Cheat or Steal, or tolerate those who do? Not only are those cheaters and liars tolerated, they are cheered for and excused by you. And what to show for it? Mediocre football at best no National Championships since 1939 (not even close since then) and a stadium that fails to sell out, even though the school has what 45,000 students. A&M has a totally bloated opinion of itself when it comes to athletics that just dirties all the fine things the school SHOULD be proud of.
Everyone at A&M KNEW They Were CHEATING
It was common knowledge during the Sherril era that A&M was cheating, out in the open. Kevin Murray was just the tip of the iceberg: http://articles.latimes.com/1988-09-10/sports/sp-1477_1_recruiting-violations
If you lived in Texas, you would know about this stuff, ISU fans have no clue how dirty the programs are down here, including A&M, especially A&M. Honor code schmoner code when it came to winning football games.
More A&M Cheating
Even after A&M and Sherrill had to part ways, the cheating still continued on: http://articles.latimes.com/1992-12-29/sports/sp-2877_1_jackie-sherrill
well we put it all in a song.
Goodbye Ole Aggie U!
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