The BCS: Broken System, Broken Dreams
by CanAzn on Dec 5, 2011 10:05 AM CST
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This weekend's events have given me reason number 143,675 why I'm glad I'm not a college football coach. How can you justify the BCS when any of your players ask about it? When the BCS is clearly all about money instead of who is deserving, how can you continue the charade that your players are STUDENT-athletes?
Here are the final BCS rankings:
1. LSU
2. Alabama
3. Oklahoma State
4. Stanford
5. Oregon
6. Arkansas
7. Boise State
8. Kansas State
9. South Carolina
10. Wisconsin
31. Iowa State?!?!
And yet, here are your BCS bowl matchups:
National Championship: LSU-Alabama
Rose: Wisconsin-Oregon
Fiesta: Oklahoma State-Stanford
Sugar: Virginia Tech-Michigan
Orange: Clemson-West Virginia
We've all hashed on Oklahoma State vs. Alabama. Better slate of wins belong to OSU, but the better loss is Bama's. They're close enough in the polls that we really can't be incredibly mad with either choice. The hidden aspect here is LSU. They've beaten Alabama at Denny Bryant already, and now they have to do it again? So much for the regular season being the playoffs in the BCS system.
At least you can make the argument that Alabama is deserving of a shot. Is there anyone that thinks Virginia Tech is deserving? Even Frank Beamer was surprised. Kansas State finished higher than EVERY single ACC and Big Ten team, and yet, 2 teams from both of those conferences made it, while the best (at worst a tie for number one with the SEC) conference in football this year gets a single BCS participant.
Today's release of the coaches poll showed some very odd (and disturbing) things. Missouri's Gary Pinkel, Stanford's David Shaw, Air Force's Troy Calhoun, Duke's David Cutcliffe, Syracuse's Doug Marrone and Alabama's Nick Saban all had Oklahoma State lower than 3rd on their ballot. I realize that a lot of these are actually filled out by sports information directors, but this is unbelievable. You can claim Calhoun, Cutcliffe and Marrone are just crazy, but Saban and Pinkel are the perfect examples of clear bias. And while Les Miles' insanity is great on the field, it doesn't make for a sane ballot. Les decided to vote Michigan at #8, KSU at 17, Baylor at 19 and TCU at 21.
Meanwhile, the Harris Poll voters, which replaced the AP Poll in the BCS formula, tried their hardest to make the coaches look rational. Former Notre Dame player Derrick Mayes, former Hawaii coach Bob Wagner, and former Iowa SID George Wine ranked Oklahoma State #6 (Wine also had Houston ahead of Oklahoma State). Former Kentucky player Jeff Van Note had WISCONSIN AT NUMBER 3 and Oklahoma State at #5. Interesting note here that every voter who had Oklahoma State below #3 had Bama at #2. No agenda here at all.
It's sad to see Alabama and Oklahoma State fans trashing each others' teams when the real common enemy here is a system that forces us to do that. So please, let's have a playoff already. If nothing else, it will remind everyone that worthiness is settled on the field, not by a bunch of voters who are drunk, high, or half dead.
And if we can't have a playoff, at least replace the coaches poll with only Paul Rhoads' ballot.
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Is the John Walters in the Harris Poll our John Walters?
Because if so, the Voice of the Cyclones voted LSU-Bama-OSU-Stanford-Arkansas.
When Alabama fans aren’t trashing Oklahoma State, they’re trashing Iowa State as if we were a 3-and-something Sun Belt team.
FWIW followup for Jim Walden
He voted LSU-OSU-Stanford-Bama-Boise.
by Narrow Right on Dec 5, 2011 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
I haven't seen that at all.
Iowa State is being called mediocre, not bad. They’re also being called “not on LSU’s level.” 6-6 in a weaker than usual Big XII bears that out. It’s a huge amount of improvement over the Chizik years, but even you would have to admit ISU is not an elite program yet. FWIW, I think y’all’re headed in the right direction, and you have a good coach. This just isn’t your year, and he still has a lot of work to do. There’s no shame in that.
I will put an asterisk next to an Alabama Crimson Tide "fake national title" the second one is given. That day has not and will never come. But to be fair, I'll give you 1941 if you give me 1945 and the Missing Ring of 1966.
by NewAnachronism on Dec 5, 2011 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
"weaker than normal" - youre full of shit. Big 12 is the #1 conference by any ranking service
AT WORST, they’re far better than the B1G, Big East and ACC.
just because I rock, doesn't mean I'm made of stone.
No argument on the latter point...
But your three most consistent teams combined for 17 losses, and the rest was not much better. The Pac 12 was stronger this season, as was the SEC. I would normally rank the Big 12 2nd, but this year, you’re third. That’s just the way it is.
I will put an asterisk next to an Alabama Crimson Tide "fake national title" the second one is given. That day has not and will never come. But to be fair, I'll give you 1941 if you give me 1945 and the Missing Ring of 1966.
by NewAnachronism on Dec 5, 2011 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
The Pac 12? Seriously?
http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/30650/pac-12-still-third-in-conference-rankings
I’ll refer you to that. The SEC and Big 12 are FAR above everyone else.
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3 most consistant? who ranks based on "consistant"? you deserve A&M
see that’s how most people rank teams, on what they do now – not what Bear Bryant had them do. Unless you’re a SEC fan or Harris poll voter
just because I rock, doesn't mean I'm made of stone.
False statement.
Heaven forbid I ever defend the B12 – and I’m not really doing that here – but the notion that either conference, B12 or SEC is hands down better than the other is ludicrous. After LSU, Alabama, and Arkansas, the SEC is average at best. Outside of OSU and (surprisingly) K-State, the B12 is average at best. The point is that both conferences are living off the reputations of the teams at the top even though mediocre/average teams make up the majority of both.
Personally, I hope the Tigers whip the shit out your boys. We’ve already seen this game, and nobody outside of the Gulf Coast wants to see it again. Alabama had their chance – in their own stadium – and lost.
Watching the Cubs piss it away for 31 years.
I fully believe you're not actively trying not to troll...
but come on, weaker than usual Big 12? Every conference in America has to be weaker than usual then.
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I think this guy is just fucking with us
No one actually believes that the Big 12 is “weaker than ususual” right?
"We're getting drunk today, Rand. Quart of rye each."
by NormanUnderwood on Dec 5, 2011 4:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Only those who have watched the Big XII play.
Texas’ tears are tasty.
I will put an asterisk next to an Alabama Crimson Tide "fake national title" the second one is given. That day has not and will never come. But to be fair, I'll give you 1941 if you give me 1945 and the Missing Ring of 1966.
by NewAnachronism on Dec 5, 2011 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
With a complete and utter bias.
The SEC is top heavy with a whole lot of garbage underneath it. The B12 has been at the top of the conference rankings all year. The top 10 SOS’s are all in the B12. People see Texas down and assume that the entire conference must be awful, instead of realizing the rest of the conference is just plainly getting better.
The conference was 27-3 in the OOC. I fully expect the B12 to go 6-2 in the bowl season.
A fairly weak OOC schedule padded that.
For my conference, there’s one loss guaranteed on January 9. Too bad the Tigers will have to settle for an AP title, and not the BCS title. K-State is not going to be able to hang with Arkansas’ defense. If Georgia plays the way they did the last 11 games, it’s going to be a long day for Sparty. The Cocks vs. the Huskers (obligatory overgrown teenager snort here) will depend on which South Carolina shows up, but the Huskers have their work cut out for them unless they become completely flaccid. I don’t know who will win Florida v. Ohio State, but anyone who watches that will lose. Mississippi State is Mississippi State and Wake Forest is Wake Forest. They’re both 6-6, but the Bulldogs have the better body of work. If it’s a defensive battle, the Demon Deacons will have a bad day. Vandy is far better than their 6-6 record, and could easily have gone 9-3. Cincy is 9-3 but didn’t deserve it, so I like the ’Dores. Auburn v. Virginia? Go Cavs. I see a 6-2 record for the SEC.
I will put an asterisk next to an Alabama Crimson Tide "fake national title" the second one is given. That day has not and will never come. But to be fair, I'll give you 1941 if you give me 1945 and the Missing Ring of 1966.
by NewAnachronism on Dec 5, 2011 8:53 PM CST up reply actions
Do SEC fans jack off to pictures of the SEC logo?
Serious question.
"We're getting drunk today, Rand. Quart of rye each."
by NormanUnderwood on Dec 5, 2011 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
No, but we drink the tears of haters.
Nice to meet you, Scott Tenorman.
I will put an asterisk next to an Alabama Crimson Tide "fake national title" the second one is given. That day has not and will never come. But to be fair, I'll give you 1941 if you give me 1945 and the Missing Ring of 1966.
by NewAnachronism on Dec 5, 2011 8:53 PM CST up reply actions
Tenorman eventually got his revenge over Cartman
Just sayin’
"We're getting drunk today, Rand. Quart of rye each."
by NormanUnderwood on Dec 5, 2011 8:55 PM CST up reply actions
Who had the better revenge?
Just sayin’.
I will put an asterisk next to an Alabama Crimson Tide "fake national title" the second one is given. That day has not and will never come. But to be fair, I'll give you 1941 if you give me 1945 and the Missing Ring of 1966.
by NewAnachronism on Dec 5, 2011 9:01 PM CST up reply actions
Well, Tenorman.
Remember, Cartman killed his own dad.
"We're getting drunk today, Rand. Quart of rye each."
by NormanUnderwood on Dec 5, 2011 9:03 PM CST up reply actions
this whole exchange made me LOL
well played gentleman
by CyssorMeTimbers on Dec 5, 2011 9:05 PM CST up reply actions
I still think parental cannibalism beats patricide.
I will put an asterisk next to an Alabama Crimson Tide "fake national title" the second one is given. That day has not and will never come. But to be fair, I'll give you 1941 if you give me 1945 and the Missing Ring of 1966.
by NewAnachronism on Dec 5, 2011 9:05 PM CST up reply actions
CORRECTION/CLARIFICATION: Not that John Walters.
This site says this Walters is a columnist for The Daily.
Caps in the title since this is much later than the original post. Apologies for misconceptions.
I used to defend the system for different reasons.
But seeing KState get jobbed by the likes of Michigan and VaTech is a fucking joke.
Your beef is with the system, not with VT or Michigan.
The system says that you only have to be in top 14 of the final BCS standings to be selected as an at-large.
Watching the Cubs piss it away for 31 years.
by CarolinaHawk on Dec 5, 2011 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
I agree.
I would much rather see a K-State v. Boise State matchup than Michigan v. VaTech. Michigan is rebuilding, and VaTech? What the hell?! They faced three ranked teams, got blown out by double digits twice, and the one ranked team they did beat is ranked no more.
I will put an asterisk next to an Alabama Crimson Tide "fake national title" the second one is given. That day has not and will never come. But to be fair, I'll give you 1941 if you give me 1945 and the Missing Ring of 1966.
by NewAnachronism on Dec 5, 2011 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
You know, I can live with VT
They at least made their conference championship game. But Michigan. MICHIGAN? They were second place in their own division and third in the conference. Michigan State was passed over for essentially narrowly losing their conference championship game for a team that was below them in every respect imaginable.
I can't live with either.
KSU had a much better case.
"We're getting drunk today, Rand. Quart of rye each."
by NormanUnderwood on Dec 5, 2011 8:03 PM CST up reply actions
Well, I'm going to have to live with it, but I don't like it.
"We're getting drunk today, Rand. Quart of rye each."
by NormanUnderwood on Dec 5, 2011 8:04 PM CST up reply actions
Like krokodil?
"We're getting drunk today, Rand. Quart of rye each."
by NormanUnderwood on Dec 5, 2011 8:52 PM CST up reply actions
FLORIDA had a better case than VT.
Okay, exaggeration, and a nasty one. I heard about, but did not destroy my eyes by watching, the crapfest that imitated football when they played Florida State. K-State and Boise State, with their horrible, accursed Smurf Turf, had much better claim to that bowl than VT & Michigan.
I will put an asterisk next to an Alabama Crimson Tide "fake national title" the second one is given. That day has not and will never come. But to be fair, I'll give you 1941 if you give me 1945 and the Missing Ring of 1966.
by NewAnachronism on Dec 5, 2011 8:32 PM CST up reply actions
Not saying VT is a good choice either
But I find the Michigan pick to be the most reprehensible considering there was a better team IN THE SAME CONFERENCE. If they wanted a Big 10 – ACC derp fest, that’s fine, pick fucking Michigan State.
That's true, but everyone knew heading into that game
that the best game the loser could hope for was the Outback. That was all but official once Michigan beat Ohio State.
Watching the Cubs piss it away for 31 years.
by CarolinaHawk on Dec 6, 2011 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
Granted, it's beyond comprehension that VT was still in the top 14.
Watching the Cubs piss it away for 31 years.
BCS=Big Corrupt System
The BCS makes governments across the world look reasonable.
We're like Cubs fans, only fewer.
Can't say im looking forward to the championship game
Ho hum sums it perfectly. Although Ok State Stanford isn’t a bad consolation prize.
More George Wine for you:
http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/bulls/content/harris-voter-i-think-bcs-just-mess
Yes. a 21 point loss to Southern Miss at home is WAY better than a double OT loss to ISU on the road.
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Where are you harboring George Wine?
You know we love you guys even after you crushed our dreams. ;) But to continue our diplomatic relations you must hand over this criminal to us at once. Houston?? Really?? The shameless agenda driven voting is one thing but the Harris poll results are just mind boggling.
Always have faith in God, yourself, and the Cowboys.
-Eddie Sutton
He lives in an awful place called Coralville.
It’s the suburbia hell of Iowa City.
We take no blame for what Hawkeyes do.
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Yet they'll be the first to tell you
They’d have been in the NCG in 2002 had they not got Seneca’d
Executive Producer - WRNL TV
No they wouldn't. Iowa wouldn't have jumped OSU or Miami.
Watching the Cubs piss it away for 31 years.
Sigh
I should still be drunk. I should have perma-grin that can’t be wiped off my face. We whipped dat ass in bedlam. We won the Big 12 outright. We’re going to a BCS bowl.
Instead, I’m bitter and pissed and obsessively stalking blogs, getting in stupid comment fights and not getting any work done.
They shall know me by the tang of my bitter and untenable jadedness.
You've been trolling RBR, haven't you?
I do find it incredibly disingenuous that while Bama fans thank us to our faces, they dog on how shitty ISU is (and as a result, how shitty OSU is) behind our backs.
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You're not reading the same things I have, and I've been on RBR.
See above for my rant. Too lazy to retype or even copypasta. We’re not insulting you. We’re saying you’re not LSU or near that level yet. If you believe you are, you’re delusional. That might happen in the next year or two, but not in 2011.
I will put an asterisk next to an Alabama Crimson Tide "fake national title" the second one is given. That day has not and will never come. But to be fair, I'll give you 1941 if you give me 1945 and the Missing Ring of 1966.
by NewAnachronism on Dec 5, 2011 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think it will ever happen
We’re not elite or close to it. I get that. I’ll give ISU average or slightly above average right now. maybe contend for a Big 12 title every 5 years or so at best.
Trust me, I’m by no means a homer. I just think what we’ve seen from Bama fans is completely different. And actually, I haven’t been on RBR since the announcement. I’m talking about other places.
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RBR is pretty cool.
The people who have come over here, myself included, have said pretty much the same things there as we have here. We’re glad you exposed a very overrated OSU team.
I will put an asterisk next to an Alabama Crimson Tide "fake national title" the second one is given. That day has not and will never come. But to be fair, I'll give you 1941 if you give me 1945 and the Missing Ring of 1966.
by NewAnachronism on Dec 5, 2011 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
Nah...
I haven’t set foot on RBR. I wouldn’t be able to handle it.
They shall know me by the tang of my bitter and untenable jadedness.
All this hate for George Wine, when his vote didn't really
mean anything at all. Was it a batshit crazy vote? Sure it was, but that one vote wasn’t enough to tip the scale one way or the other. George Wine voting Ok. State behind Houstion didn’t keep them (OSU) out of the championship game. The gap between Alabama and OSU was way too wide going into Sunday for any one vote to change anything.
Wine wasn’t the only one. Far from it.
Watching the Cubs piss it away for 31 years.
OSU missed by 0.0086 ... that's they type of scenerio where a few votes matter
the bat-shit crazy old man needs to be retired for good.
just because I rock, doesn't mean I'm made of stone.
That was supposed to be a link to a list of people who vote in the
Harris poll.
http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=869530
Watching the Cubs piss it away for 31 years.
yeah - that's my point, get senile bastards that hardly watch the games out of the process.
just because I rock, doesn't mean I'm made of stone.
Saw this on the Oklahoma State sight.
Give it a read. OSU really had no shot of overtaking Alabama.
Watching the Cubs piss it away for 31 years.
Is CarolinaHawk
TarHeelHawk/shadasrevenge?
He seems to follow that MO of missing the point/intentionally trying to push an argument in a completely different direction than it had been going.
"We're getting drunk today, Rand. Quart of rye each."
by NormanUnderwood on Dec 5, 2011 2:53 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I don't really mind tangents at all.
But come on, I clearly mentioned other crazies. And so far in this thread not a single person is solely blaming the Harris Poll or George Wine for OSU not making it. It’s just parts of a larger problem.
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right
But its a classic Dougie move to infer you were saying something you weren’t, and the next thing you know there is no longer a direction or point to the argument
"We're getting drunk today, Rand. Quart of rye each."
by NormanUnderwood on Dec 5, 2011 3:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The same mentality driving the BCS
has already shown itself in conference realignment. It’s all about TV revenue and ratings, not how you did on the field. And is George Wine senile? Should senile people be voting in the polls? I read his comments. I would say that getting beat by 21 points and losing the conf. championship when everyone was saying this was Houston’s greatest team ever is a pretty bad loss.
NCG will be a snoozer
as long as voters can manipulate their vote, BS will be the result
either have a playoff
or don’t use human voters
I most likely wont even watch the NC game
DO NOT WANT
by CyssorMeTimbers on Dec 5, 2011 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
If you want a defensive war, you're happy with this matchup.
Offense gets the highlight reel. Defense wins games. I’m not going to complete that quote, because I’m depressing myself enough by listening to music from my high school years. Radiohead, Temple of the Dog, Sound Garden, Pearl Jam, does it get any better than that?
I will put an asterisk next to an Alabama Crimson Tide "fake national title" the second one is given. That day has not and will never come. But to be fair, I'll give you 1941 if you give me 1945 and the Missing Ring of 1966.
by NewAnachronism on Dec 5, 2011 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
I may hate your conference...
but I certainly agree with your taste in music.
"We're getting drunk today, Rand. Quart of rye each."
by NormanUnderwood on Dec 5, 2011 9:28 PM CST up reply actions
Can't forget about Nirvana and early STP.
Sublime and Alice In Chains… RIP Layne Staley.
I will put an asterisk next to an Alabama Crimson Tide "fake national title" the second one is given. That day has not and will never come. But to be fair, I'll give you 1941 if you give me 1945 and the Missing Ring of 1966.
by NewAnachronism on Dec 5, 2011 9:29 PM CST up reply actions
I watched PJ 20 last week.
Fucking awesome.
"We're getting drunk today, Rand. Quart of rye each."
by NormanUnderwood on Dec 5, 2011 9:32 PM CST up reply actions
Sounds like good times.
I know some people who didn’t get their 60s/70s-inspired jam session guitar riffs, but for me, that was how they really showed their genius. “Don’t Fear the Reaper” by the Blue Oyster Cult would have sucked without that bridge in the middle.
I will put an asterisk next to an Alabama Crimson Tide "fake national title" the second one is given. That day has not and will never come. But to be fair, I'll give you 1941 if you give me 1945 and the Missing Ring of 1966.
by NewAnachronism on Dec 5, 2011 9:35 PM CST up reply actions
That's pretty much why I prefer them over the rest of the grunge bands
(even though I still like all of the other bands mentioned), as well as the unsung secret to their success.
"We're getting drunk today, Rand. Quart of rye each."
by NormanUnderwood on Dec 5, 2011 9:39 PM CST up reply actions
I have a serious question for you Cyclones fans.
Do you hate OK State and T. Boone Pickens as much as I do? The man’s a snake oil salesman and worse.
I will put an asterisk next to an Alabama Crimson Tide "fake national title" the second one is given. That day has not and will never come. But to be fair, I'll give you 1941 if you give me 1945 and the Missing Ring of 1966.
No
"We're getting drunk today, Rand. Quart of rye each."
by NormanUnderwood on Dec 5, 2011 9:24 PM CST up reply actions
Is that from Perez Hilton?
I will put an asterisk next to an Alabama Crimson Tide "fake national title" the second one is given. That day has not and will never come. But to be fair, I'll give you 1941 if you give me 1945 and the Missing Ring of 1966.
by NewAnachronism on Dec 5, 2011 9:28 PM CST up reply actions
Nope
That would be the handiwork of our own CyssorMyTimbers.
"We're getting drunk today, Rand. Quart of rye each."
by NormanUnderwood on Dec 5, 2011 9:30 PM CST up reply actions
I mainly hate Pickens because of the "Pickens Plan".
It’s complete and utter crap. But honestly, donating $400 million to your school and $265 million of that going to athletics? I love sports more than many, but universities should be about education. I don’t mind some money going to athletics, but put the lion’s share into research to benefit humanity. And yes, I would be saying that if he were a Bama alum, because bad ideas are bad ideas.
I will put an asterisk next to an Alabama Crimson Tide "fake national title" the second one is given. That day has not and will never come. But to be fair, I'll give you 1941 if you give me 1945 and the Missing Ring of 1966.
by NewAnachronism on Dec 5, 2011 9:32 PM CST up reply actions
Did I just see an SEC fan
value academics over athletics?
I think the internet just broke.
Just kidding, but I honestly don’t have much problem with what he wants to do with his money. I agree with you that he “should” put more into academics, but its not my say. Personally, I’d rather he do that, but only because ISU and OSU don’t compete academically (we’re a much better school from an academic stand point any how), and it gives their athletic department a huge advantage.
"We're getting drunk today, Rand. Quart of rye each."
by NormanUnderwood on Dec 5, 2011 9:38 PM CST up reply actions
I would've thought an SEC man could respect buying a player or 10
just because I rock, doesn't mean I'm made of stone.
Wrong team. Look for Auburn.
I will put an asterisk next to an Alabama Crimson Tide "fake national title" the second one is given. That day has not and will never come. But to be fair, I'll give you 1941 if you give me 1945 and the Missing Ring of 1966.
by NewAnachronism on Dec 5, 2011 9:43 PM CST up reply actions
I'm an SEC fan, a liberal, and a lover of science and science fiction.
The fan part got overruled, and it wasn’t even close. I just can’t stop thinking about the biomedical, environmental, or other research that $265 million could have funded and how much good it could have done.
I will put an asterisk next to an Alabama Crimson Tide "fake national title" the second one is given. That day has not and will never come. But to be fair, I'll give you 1941 if you give me 1945 and the Missing Ring of 1966.
by NewAnachronism on Dec 5, 2011 9:41 PM CST up reply actions
Shit son
you just shatter stereotypes for a living, eh?
"We're getting drunk today, Rand. Quart of rye each."
by NormanUnderwood on Dec 5, 2011 9:43 PM CST up reply actions
Nah, only for a hobby.
I hope to go pro one day, though.
I will put an asterisk next to an Alabama Crimson Tide "fake national title" the second one is given. That day has not and will never come. But to be fair, I'll give you 1941 if you give me 1945 and the Missing Ring of 1966.
by NewAnachronism on Dec 5, 2011 9:44 PM CST up reply actions
I just hope he's not actually Sandusky.
"We're getting drunk today, Rand. Quart of rye each."
by NormanUnderwood on Dec 5, 2011 9:50 PM CST up reply actions
I think he has bigger problems.
Also, he and his attorney are idiots. I assume the proper authorities Mirandized him. He should have exercised his right to remain silent.
I will put an asterisk next to an Alabama Crimson Tide "fake national title" the second one is given. That day has not and will never come. But to be fair, I'll give you 1941 if you give me 1945 and the Missing Ring of 1966.
by NewAnachronism on Dec 5, 2011 9:56 PM CST up reply actions
I think everyone in America knew that.
Except Sandusky and his lawyer, apparently.
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I tried watching that interview.
I needed a bucket. It would have been less damning had he admitted his guilt outright.
I will put an asterisk next to an Alabama Crimson Tide "fake national title" the second one is given. That day has not and will never come. But to be fair, I'll give you 1941 if you give me 1945 and the Missing Ring of 1966.
by NewAnachronism on Dec 5, 2011 10:04 PM CST up reply actions
Have you ever stood under a Saturn V?
When I was a kid, about 9 or 10, my dad too me to the Welcome Center around Huntsville, AL. He picked me up, and I was able to touch the bottom of that rocket. To this day, I dream of manned space exploration, mainly Mars. I was fed a pretty steady diet of Star Trek TOS episodes and other science fiction and started on Michael Crichton when I was 11. It’s not exactly a surprise I am this way.
I will put an asterisk next to an Alabama Crimson Tide "fake national title" the second one is given. That day has not and will never come. But to be fair, I'll give you 1941 if you give me 1945 and the Missing Ring of 1966.
by NewAnachronism on Dec 5, 2011 9:47 PM CST up reply actions
Well...
I’m not so good at the new math, but it looks to me like that still leaves a $135 million dollar donation to the academic institution. Let’s not act like that is pocket lint. I work in development, and I can sure you any academic development office that secures a single donor $135 million donation would shit all over themselves.
They shall know me by the tang of my bitter and untenable jadedness.
I'm not saying it isn't generous.
It clearly is, and although he’s managing it, he’s waiving all fees for doing so. I do say the vast majority of his donation is very misplaced.
I will put an asterisk next to an Alabama Crimson Tide "fake national title" the second one is given. That day has not and will never come. But to be fair, I'll give you 1941 if you give me 1945 and the Missing Ring of 1966.
by NewAnachronism on Dec 7, 2011 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
Please
Take the same donation and apply it to your school. You’d be ecstatic.
Oklahoma State, pre-Pickens donation, was light years behind the rest of the Big 12 in terms of facilities. A donation of this staggering size was needed not to put oSu out in front of everybody else, but just to bring us up to a level playing field.
And I get it, TBP is an easy target to hate. The guy even named his book “The First Billion is the Hardest” for gods sake. Even his charitable donations are filthy with self interest (sidenote: as I mentioned, I work in development. You’d be stunned at the lack of actual altruism out there). But sheesh, man, $400 million dollars is real money. You give that kind of money to the hospital, they name the whole goddamn thing after you.
They shall know me by the tang of my bitter and untenable jadedness.
We can agree to disagree.
He’s Howard Hughes without the character or the neuroses.
I will put an asterisk next to an Alabama Crimson Tide "fake national title" the second one is given. That day has not and will never come. But to be fair, I'll give you 1941 if you give me 1945 and the Missing Ring of 1966.
by NewAnachronism on Dec 8, 2011 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
Same amount of STDs though?
USC knockoff uniforms, none of the results (including probation)
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I personally would love if ISU had our own little boone pickens
He’s taken their athletic department from relative obscurity to being nationally recognized through his contributions that have resulted in major facilities upgrades and bringing and keeping good coaches/assistants. good coaching + awesome facilities = recruits. recruits = wins.
by CyssorMeTimbers on Dec 6, 2011 6:31 AM CST up reply actions
I don't mind rich people.
Hell, I wish I was one. I DO mind liars and frauds. I’d be far happier with a Warren Buffett or George Soros than a T. Boone Pickens.
I will put an asterisk next to an Alabama Crimson Tide "fake national title" the second one is given. That day has not and will never come. But to be fair, I'll give you 1941 if you give me 1945 and the Missing Ring of 1966.
by NewAnachronism on Dec 6, 2011 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
So who decides what coaches get a vote?
I was surprised to see Rhoads on the list but no Ferentz.
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Harris randomly selects 115 members from the nominees to participate in the actual panel.
each university selects prospective members that may be selected
by CyssorMeTimbers on Dec 6, 2011 6:36 AM CST up reply actions
thought I read that basically half of the Big 12 coaches get to vote each year and it rotates every year or every other.
just because I rock, doesn't mean I'm made of stone.
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